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CX to start selling in the US? #734955
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Good day All,

Just came across this article which would lead me to believe a Plus Four or Six could be fully assembled by MMC and shipped to the US as a 'turn key kit car'. Morgan don't build kit cars but surly there is a loop hole there to help MMC get more product to the US.

Turnkey Replica Cars Now Legal in the USA

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I'm not sure how easy that is for the CX cars but they did it with trads. The new 3 wheeler I understood was built to be able to import directly. The CX cars were planned to be imported as low volume cars but Biden cancelled Trump's law on this.


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Biden didn’t cancel anything - this is the same law that has been held up since the Obama administration. And yea, the CX will qualify - Morgan has already sent a “heads up” to US dealers. I’d say it’ll be another year before anything arrives here- or longer. But at least it appears as if it going to happen. I’ve had a deposit down for a PLUS four for 18 months!!

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This will bode well for MMC. The US is a market that will do wonders for them. Fingers crossed for the enthusiasts, and you of course, that it's sooner than later.

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Originally Posted by Perry_P_M3W
This will bode well for MMC. The US is a market that will do wonders for them. Fingers crossed for the enthusiasts, and you of course, that it's sooner than later.


Yes, but there is also an an obstacle (at least for the dealer): The US (market) is als a country with a strong consumer law.
Morgan still seems to be a long way from a massive improvement in the quality of the cx range....


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I’m hoping that by the time they build mine they’ll have them sorted

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Originally Posted by bmgermany
Originally Posted by Perry_P_M3W
This will bode well for MMC. The US is a market that will do wonders for them. Fingers crossed for the enthusiasts, and you of course, that it's sooner than later.


Yes, but there is also an an obstacle (at least for the dealer): The US (market) is als a country with a strong consumer law.
Morgan still seems to be a long way from a massive improvement in the quality of the cx range....


Lets hope those issues are addressed by then. It did not seem US consumer law helped M3W owners....


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Re: CX to start selling in the US? [Re: Perry_P_M3W] #736793
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I am also on the waitlist for a build slot and US delivery. 3 weeks ago my dealer told me that Morgan did receive the certification for selling in the US and that slots for the US will start to be filled in the fall with late year deliveries. I hope it pans out that way ... or ideally earlier smile


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Originally Posted by itsfrank666
I am also on the waitlist for a build slot and US delivery. 3 weeks ago my dealer told me that Morgan did receive the certification for selling in the US and that slots for the US will start to be filled in the fall with late year deliveries. I hope it pans out that way ... or ideally earlier smile

Interesting, that will coincide with the MY23 updates then


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Yes, correct, they told me it will 2023 model cars. Not sure if there would be significant changes, though.


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North Shore Sportscars indicated that they're thinking the first batch will be Plus Fours with automatic transmissions and airbags. Not sure if airbags would come to the rest-of-the-world lineup too, or if that'd be North America only. If they're really bringing them in under the FAST replica framework, I can't imagine airbags would be required?

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Originally Posted by itsfrank666
Yes, correct, they told me it will 2023 model cars. Not sure if there would be significant changes, though.

They are 'safety' compliance updates, not just US cars, as I was told in confidence what they were I won't specify them, but not hard to guess


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Automatic would be okay, but airbags? I was looking forward to getting a nice Moto-Lita wheel. My understanding so far was that the FAST act requires cars to be a "replica" and to be compliant with environmental standards but not with safety standards ... let's hope that this is implemented. Will post more as soon as I find out


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Dennis at Morgan West told me that the Plus Four would be available first with automatic or standard transmissions and that the Plus Six would follow at a much later date. I really do not want airbags or an automatic so I hope this is true.

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Prop man - not sure about airbags, but you really do want the auto version of the Plus Four. I drove the manual first as I thought I felt as you clearly do - I.e. manual all the way - but - then I drove the auto and found it so good that I changed orders to the auto. It’s silky smooth always seems to be in the right cog. I have 14kms on mine and still really love it.

I hope you get a car soon, you’ll not regret it!

Cheers!


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Re: CX to start selling in the US? [Re: Perry_P_M3W] #737332
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That’s 14k Kms!!!!!!


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Re: CX to start selling in the US? [Re: Perry_P_M3W] #737378
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Originally Posted by Robbie
That’s 14k Kms!!!!!!


Did you feel a difference in power with the mileage?

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No - Pulls like a train as the day I got it!!


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Update from Morgan West - just notified that two demonstrator vehicles are to arrive between late October and early December. Customer cars should follow during 1st quarter or 2023.

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Update from my dealer here in DC: They confirm that deliveries are likely Q1 2023 and they should be for PlusFour with automatic first, then manual shift and later the PlusSix. For 2022, deliveries of the 3-wheelers are scheduled.
They didn't hear anything about putting airbags into the PlusFour and pointed out that other brands (e.g., Cobra replicas) are being sold new under the FAST act exception without airbags. Pricing still not released, should come in the summer together with a configurator for the US. Things are firming up a bit ... but still a long wait until 2023 frown


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Latest update -



SUPER 3
Production is just starting, first vehicles for the UK should be ready within a month, with the EU dealer vehicles the month following, and then the USA dealer vehicles. And so our USA network will have Super 3 demo & stock vehicles late summer / early fall this year. We will have a USA product launch this summer. Dealers can place orders with us for this model, and we have launched our US $ price list. Early dealer vehicles were chosen from a pre-set pallet of 12 colours, customers may chose their own colourways of course.



PLUS FOUR, PLUS SIX
We do not have NHTSA approval for these models and so have not, so far, been able to sell them in USA. In 2015 the FAST act (replica car bill) was passed, meaning that manufacturers of cars which closely resemble cars produced 25 years ago may sell up to 325 per year into USA under heavily reduced NHTSA rules. This bill became law about a month ago (6 years after being first announced). In the meantime we started a program to ensure that the BMW 2.0 & 3.0 litre engines that we fit are EPA compliant (we use the EU versions, not the USA ones), and this program should be complete within a couple of weeks, 3 months after initialising it. Once we have a valid EPA certificate, we can start the NHTSA approval process, which we do not see as too challenging thanks to the FAST act regulations. This should be completed quickly, probably early fall.
We will shortly start the process of deciding vehicle specs for the launch vehicles, and create a US $ price list.

The first car that will be available in USA is the PLUS FOUR AUTOMATIC. This is our most popular model in UK & EU, and we see it as being the same success in USA. It remains our intention to supply dealer cars at the end of this year, and customer cars starting very early next year. Under the FAST act we cannot obtain title until 1st Jan 23 (they will be our 24MY vehicles). The PLUS FOUR MANUAL, & PLUS SIX, will follow at some point next year.

All vehicles will feature new specifications (in Europe they will be our 23MY vehicles, 24MY in USA) which are not yet shown on our configurator as the vehicles have not yet been launched.

To answer some client specific questions-

All Morgan-approved dealers can offer full warranty aftercare.

The alloy wheel is lighter than the wire, I do not have the exact weight difference but can find it if it is important.

The sidescreens are constructed from polycarbonate lenses in an aluminium frame.

The chassis is made from a very high grade of aluminium that is extremely corrosion resistant.

Our cars have ABS (the Super 3 does not).

There is no header unit (radio), the audio system is a wifi enabled amp with speakers, driven through your smart phone (standard on Plus Six, optional on Plus Four). This may change for 23(24)MY vehicles.

The LCD display of the current range may change for the 23(24)MY vehicles.

Our vehicles are designed to be driven roof-down, and are offered with weather protection. Each hood is handmade, and so it is possible that some owners experience slightly different aerodynamic results than others. Overall, the 22MY hood is far better fitting than any previous Morgan hood.

Our 22MY upgrades included a new extensive sealing package, including hood rail to windscreen, which have dramatically improved air (& water) ingress.

All vehicles ordered with a spare wheel are supplied with a jack, and wheel brace. This is from 22MY onward.

We are planning on producing around 80-100 vehicles for USA toward the end of this year, however we are not immune to the global supply chain issues and this may, or may not, slip. At this moment you should receive your car early next year.

You are welcome to order as many, or as few, options from our USA model order form, when available. Pricing will not be the same as UK/EU pricing.

The 21MY vehicles were updated for 22MY, and will be again for the 23MY range (24MY USA). I can assure you that the vehicle that you receive will delight you and fully live up to your every expectation.

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That all sounds like promising news! Can't wait to see the spec (and price) sheets.

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Hi Propman, thank you for the update. Just like Colin ... can't wait to see the specs and (hopefully acceptable) prices. One more question: Will there be airbags or will we still be able to order with alternative steering wheels?


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Hi All; any updates on what 23/24MY Plus Six specs are?

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Originally Posted by KeithNZ
Hi All; any updates on what 23/24MY Plus Six specs are?

Keith, I think they are officially launched after the factory return from the summer shutdown, (your official dealer may get pre-launch specs ?)


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I'd imagine that it should be a good bit less expensive as we do not pay VAT. The question I have, will BMW honor the powertrain warranty or would I need to ship it 700 miles to the nearest Morgan dealership for a powertrain repair?


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