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Re: Electric Cars [Re: PJC] #741706
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Originally Posted by PJC
The trouble with being a massive petrol-head and not also being massively wealthy is that there are so many really nice/good/desirable cars and bikes that I have a list far too long of the ones which I think I will want to keep for ever and for-go the rest. What actually happens in reality is that about 9-12 months after getting such a vehicle I have developed green eyes for the next "Perfect long-term car" and I therefore end up changing cars far too often. My wife is the same (in that she also changes cars frequently - not that I change the wife every 9-12 months!). In the last 4 years we between us have had 13 different cars! Bloody hell, that's even worse than I expected.


I find I'm always 'head over heels' in love with my next car, especially once the newness wears off the current car. Your posting caused me to reflect on how many cars I've had for any length of time during my lifetime. Whilst I have slowed down a lot in the last 15 years or so, I'm nowhere near your current consumption rate. I stopped counting at 36 personal cars, 12 company cars and 14 motorbikes, the wife who has only been driving since the early 90's has had a mere 11 cars and 1 motorbike by comparison.

I only remember making money on one car, it was stolen whilst in storage and its value had risen, I'm quite sure I could have bought a small house with the money I've burnt thru on my motoring acquisition and short retention policy. Two houses possibly with the money spent on bringing the used/classic cars all up to like new/pristine standard..........

I hope the wife doesn't spot this post even she might be a little surprised by the car numbers............it will make it increasingly harder to put off the new kitchen. I console myself with have been prudent in having lived in the same apartment for 36 years, although I did buy another adjacent apartment just for its garage!

The things we do, well I'm reliably informed you are only here once, so might as well try and make the most of it.


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Re: Electric Cars [Re: PJC] #741720
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Originally Posted by PJC
Allegedly we've both got "Keepers" now so you never know the madness may have stopped drive surrender


My "keepers" tend to last twice as long as the other cars. I tire easily.

The Plus 8 I've had for 8 years, so it actually may be a real keeper.
The Mercedes 180 2.6 I had from 2000 until 2012, so it was a real keeper and I wish I still had it, but it had some issues that I chose not to sort out, which was a mistake.
The Tesla... unlikely to make it into being a keeper, but it is so cheap to run that if inflation returns to the levels of the early 80s it could become a keeper. Much will happen in the next 3 years.


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Re: Electric Cars [Re: brownbaker] #741761
13/05/22 07:29 AM
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My favourite all time car has been a Mercedes the 124 E320 Sportline Cabriolet, great car with just enough modern conveniences to keep it honest.


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Re: Electric Cars [Re: brownbaker] #741775
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All this talk of serial car ownership sounds to me an awful lot like destination addiction

Originally Posted by Robert Holden

Beware of destination addiction, a preoccupation with the idea that happiness is in the next place, the next job, and with the next partner. Until you give up the idea that happiness is somewhere else, it will never be where you are.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5p7qoedlPU


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Re: Electric Cars [Re: Hamwich] #741780
13/05/22 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Hamwich
All this talk of serial car ownership sounds to me an awful lot like destination addiction

Originally Posted by Robert Holden

Beware of destination addiction, a preoccupation with the idea that happiness is in the next place, the next job, and with the next partner. Until you give up the idea that happiness is somewhere else, it will never be where you are.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5p7qoedlPU




I also think a lot has to do with your 'nurture' during those formative growing up years, did you come from a 'mend and make do background' or more of a consumerism environment. Add into that the glossy motor magazines that often over sold the virtues and qualities of a specific car (you couldn't afford at the time) especially the pin up poster variety eg Lambo/Porsche Turbo/Ferrari exotica that never live upto the dream and pedestal you put them on, when you eventually can afford to acquire one.

In fairness, I for quite a while was doing nearly 100k miles a year, commuting 300 mile a day back and forth to the office, besides all the additional business miles and then my own pleasure miles at weekends, which kind of consumed cars at a very rapid rate. Add into that I sadly in my youth loved my BL crap, I had 5 MG Midgets, 3 TR7's most from new and they fell apart in no time at all and totally unreliable and with the mileages I was doing I needed total reliability. The wife had a Mini and an MG Metro Turbo and they disintegrated in front of your eyes, weld seams and poor paintwork hate salty sea air. I learnt to ignore the Buy British when it came to cars.

In my experience the most reliable brand has been Mercedes, as I mentioned earlier if they still made the 124 today I would have a 124 Mercedes Cabriolet, but now the youngest getting on for over 25 years old now, they tend to suffer biodegradable wiring harness failure and spares are getting harder to track down and disproportionately expensive due to Mercedes spares pricing inflation policy. I had a very low mileage immaculate Sportline version in storage for special trips and holidays had it not been stolen and exported abroad never to be seen again, I would still have it today.
Whilst I may have indulged myself a little in the past, and consumed cars due to high mileages covered, I tend to behave myself these days. A friend has had to built 2 extra garages at his home to house his now 20 plus car collection ranging from Bentleys to 70's American muscle cars plus his collection of Harleys........but he like many others he uses the UK tax system to his advantage, I've never been quite so calculating, there sometimes can be more than destination addiction at play in any given set of circumstances.


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Re: Electric Cars [Re: brownbaker] #741781
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Re: Electric Cars [Re: brownbaker] #741783
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At least it's prettier, more practical and pretty similar capabilities and range as the Sebring Vanguard CitiCar...........another oil crisis product..


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Re: Electric Cars [Re: brownbaker] #741784
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Such is my lack of education that I have never heard of Robert Holden. Is he an academic or an entertainer, or an academic entertainer...Hmm..?

I left formal education at age 15 so who am I to disagree with the premiss of "destination addiction"...? I consider the mix-up in Roberts thinking exists when applying the term "addiction" and thus seemingly associating some form of of mental illness to that which seems to ME no more than a simple and necessary aspect of human nature which seems to have provided a sense of continued well being for ME, if not very many like me over many a decade..?

Setting targets would seem to be an entirely natural and necessary part of evolutionary structure in the history of human beings..? Further to that as individuals, it would seem ideal if we could set targets that suit ourselves, in that we have a series of long term goals and perhaps more importantly, short term objectives which provide a very necessary sense of achievement required to maintain momentum while working towards the longer term goals..?

A sense of place, sense of purpose, the feeling that you are worthwhile and working towards something worthwhile, until perhaps you reach an age or a stage where you have to or can happily accept as an older/ less fit person, that drive and ambition has perhaps subdued to some extent, hopefully to be replaced by a growing sense of contentment in all that you have achieved.... What`s more to want...?

Or have I got that entirely wrong...?

THE perfect machine..!!! . As a CARsonova that concept goes against the grain, however I guess even Casanova has his limitations ..(-:

I have owned my old nut and bolt rebuilt mid 80`s Morgan +8 for 20 years, which was never a plan as such, things just worked out that way, and I should have sold it when I accepted my use of it was becoming restricted and likely to be more so with the passage of time. I did have a half hearted attempt at advertising it here, but no more than that, as it seems the old thing got under my skin having provided so many fond memories of foreign adventures etc, etc, etc. Also perhaps worthy of consideration may be, that even while stationary in the garage it is surely a work of art and of more value to me in that regard than any other I may have viewed in a gallery or on TV supposedly worth huge sums of money..

Likewise the P car sitting beside the Mog, it too represents an art form, also admired as the result of a previous decade or so of my associations with the Marque, today`s admiration perhaps more based upon many more years of engineering advance and quality improvements associated with great success in a wide variety of sporting achievements... In a more practical sense the P car is easily usable by me today, either as a reasonably comfortable cruiser making it`s own decisions such as when best to change gear to maximise fuel economy and so much more, or with a few buttons pressed, and up to circa 400HP available, it can alter all sorts of engineering dynamics relative to engine, gearbox, suspension settings and braking pressures to individual wheels dependant on inputs from who knows how many sensors... Being fortunate enough to currently enjoy those two as garage inhabitants Again the question might be... What`s more to want..?

Electric car...? If and when the family barge might be due replacement and we might still need or want to drive as the years pass, then IF electric cars or whatever else might have been proven to save the planet... Why not..?

Re: Electric Cars [Re: brownbaker] #741786
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Sometimes less is more and more is less, coming to terms and being happy with your lot in life!

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Re: Electric Cars [Re: brownbaker] #741794
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Buy the car you can afford, that you want and keep it, I hate giving the government money for sales tax just because I want/need to change cars. Here is a list of my cars I have owned

1980 to 1982 - 1968 Mini Matic - I learnt to drive in, loved it and kept it until the gearbox died which is an expensive repair so it got taken to the tip.
1982 to 1983 - 1971 Morris 1300 - also an auto, gearbox also died so car went to the tip and I learnt a hatred of automatic cars that I still have.
1982 to 1987 - 1965 Honda S600 - I wanted a convertible like a MG and this thing was so cute and cheaper, pity it kept breaking down.
1984 to 1985 - 1970 Mini - bought cheap to have something to drive and then sold it to my sisters boyfriend who tried to do 100mph in it and killed it.
1985 to 1987 - 1980 Ford escort - fun to drive but caught fire, went into insurance company said car caught fire and before asking for registration details the clerk said "A Ford Escort?" I replied yes how did she know and the reply was we get about two a week, typical bad Ford UK build quality and electrics.
1987 to 1988 - 1964 EH Holden - An Aussie icon I should have kept as it would be worth 40 times now just for a rusty shell than I sold it for. This one lived up to the name of just Holden together.
1988 to 1992 - 1985 Mazda 323 - great car only sold due to needed a larger car for building a house.
1990 to 1998 - 1989 Mazda MX5 - another great car only sold due to birth of my son and told I needed a practical car.
1992 - to 2002 - 1991 Ford Falcon wagon - got married in 1992, sold my house and Mazda 323, bought a block of land and built a house so needed something to tow etc.
1998 to 2002 - 1998 Nissan Pulsar - the car to fit a baby seat in that replaced the MX5
2002 to 2020 - 1988 Nissan Silvia Convertible - back to a convertible smile and my son fitted in the back smile
2002 to 2014 - 2002 Subaru Outback - Falcon was getting old and needed a lot of expensive repairs so sold it very cheaply to a mate and bough the outback that got written off on my sons last day of school, yes that date is significant as it was also prank day and they were being silly.
2014 - Still own - 2014 Skoda Rapid - bought to have a car after Outback written off. Gave to son who still drives it but of course it is in my name as because not paying Stamp duty to give it to him.
2015 - Still own - 2105 Skoda Octavia - wife and son not happy sharing Skoda Rapid so basically got them a car each
2020 - Still own - 2016 Skoda Rapid - wife and I really needed a car each so when Silvia written off by hail storm I found this one for a good price and bought it
2020 - still own 1969 MGB being given the Frontline treatment with MX5 engine etc.

OK what can we see from this

I have been driving for over 40 years but owned more cars in the first 10 than the last 30 because all the early cars where made during the 1960s and unreliable pieces of rubbish. Considering in the last 30 years I have not only owned less cars but I have owned more at the same time because I have provided a car for me, my wife and later my son to drive it really shows how much better cars are made now.

If you consider the Ford Falcon was owned for 10 years, the Subaru Outback 12 years and the Silvia 18 I would say I try to keep cars for over 10 years if possible.

My plans from now? The 2014 Skoda Rapid my son drives has 170,000km on it so thinking of selling it, giving him the other one that only have 80,000km and getting my wife a new Toyota RAV4 hybrid as my son can service it being a qualified Toyota mechanic. He would do it at work and I would have to pay the dealership so the book is stamped but be cheaper than full price and I know done thoroughly. As it is such a popular model there is a 2 year waiting list so I put our name on the list and if nothing electric is available in Australia beforehand I will get one. As that will be able to tow the trailer etc. maybe the Octavia will be traded for an electric car if they ever become a sensible option, currently I feel Hydrogen has just as much chance of being the next sensible thing

My concern is all three Skoda's are over 6 years old and out of warranty and there are bugger all good cars for sale. I just hope nothing goes wrong that can't be economically fixed before the world side shortage of computer chips etc. is over and buying cars is easy again.

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