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Re: German Write off [Re: xc68anc] #743167
29/05/22 10:38 AM
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I think ESP is essential for the Plus Six.

Re: German Write off [Re: gaston] #743197
29/05/22 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by gaston

I think ESP is essential for the Plus Six.


+1

I haven't driven a Plus six yet, but all those who have disassembled a Plus six can't all drive worse than I do. Without ESP, I would constantly have the feeling that I can not give the car to my heart's content the spurs. Without ESP then maybe better a Plus Four, but that's just me.


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Re: German Write off [Re: xc68anc] #743199
29/05/22 04:58 PM
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I have my Plus six from a bit more than 18 month now and honestly if you keep it in "drive" mode it's surprisingly a quite calm horse even under rain !
In "sport" mode it spin-off if you push throttle on the floor but keep his target in strait line, in a corner of course the back try to pass the front but it seems still not too hard to control when dry (personally I will not try it on open road under rain without a good rain stage on circuit with it...it's on my plan for next year)
But if you put it in "sport plus" then the wild horse appair directly when putting the foot on the floor !!! Devil6
In strait line at 60 km/h on dry road the horse kick your back in less than one second and if the road is not totally flat it the rear spin-off immediately by a good 50 cm before you are able to react ! scared
The plus 6 is easy to drive but if you go "sport plus" mode you need to be an good, concentrate and ready driver...

Re: German Write off [Re: xc68anc] #743227
29/05/22 08:41 PM
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I think one of the MY23 updates is to include TC as standard


Jon M
Re: German Write off [Re: CooperMan] #743320
31/05/22 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by CooperMan
I think one of the MY23 updates is to include TC as standard


They need it.
Even so, my BM! M140i, with the same engine and BMW traction/stability control still felt like the back end wanted to explore dew places...
If it is true I could renew my interest...


Peter,
66, my 2016 Porsche Boxster S
Tarka 2014 Plus 8....Off the road, since March!


Re: German Write off [Re: Peter J] #743339
31/05/22 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter J
Originally Posted by CooperMan
I think one of the MY23 updates is to include TC as standard


They need it.
Even so, my BM! M140i, with the same engine and BMW traction/stability control still felt like the back end wanted to explore dew places...
If it is true I could renew my interest...

Problem is basic TC is not full-on ESP, so I suspect some less experienced CX owners will still visit the odd hedge


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Re: German Write off [Re: xc68anc] #743364
31/05/22 05:09 PM
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If MMC are adding the BMW TC it is highly likely that it will include ESP.

BTW, I have been informed from a reliable source that the 2023 CX caars will have some form of Traction Control.

All the S4 Aero based cars have EBD and ABS, the CX cars have ABS and I assume EBD.
All these aids are software driven by data from the engine, gearbox and brakes:I suspect the CX has all the hardware needed to make TC and ESP function, but it will need a software adaption to deal with such a light car.


Peter,
66, my 2016 Porsche Boxster S
Tarka 2014 Plus 8....Off the road, since March!


Re: German Write off [Re: xc68anc] #743387
31/05/22 09:59 PM
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This sums up my previous thoughts and comments on the frequency and reasons for the crashes. Basically a power train designed for a heavier car being let loose on a much lighter car. Add in overenthusiastic and ability optimistic driver = disaster.
Was there a rush to get the car out without the “upgrades” ?
The M3W seemed to be in that category with the quickly discovered problems that full development testing should spot. Chassis cracks, bump steer, rear sprocket, bevel box, cush drive......
I haven’t driven a CX car so only making observations from what owners are experiencing.
It reminds me a bit of the early Porsche 911 rear end traction losses.
I really need to get in the CX cars to see what they are like.


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Re: German Write off [Re: xc68anc] #743400
01/06/22 06:02 AM
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I suspect it will be just luck that will secure a decent integration of engine management, gearbox behaviour, suspension tuning and ESC/TC intervention on the Plus 4/6. Morgan simply do not have the resources to do all the tuning of handling/ride/safety that BMW et al do in collaboration with their suppliers (ZF/Bosch etc).

I have driven the Plus series but in general am not a fan of most modern turbo engines which have a big step transition from nothing to loads of torque....Ferrai and a few others have tuned theirs to have a steadily rising torque/rev curve that at the top end fully exploits the beneft of turbocharging. We will continue to enjoy our NA M3W and Boxster for now and live with the turbo-diesel hack....

Re: German Write off [Re: xc68anc] #743405
01/06/22 07:12 AM
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It seems it is only the plus six that has the traction problem - I now have 17000 Kms on my Plus Four and have no problems at all with traction, neither have I issues withe auto transmission which I find very smooth indeed. I felt the plus six was a bit scary when I test drove one and am delighted I chose the plus four.


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