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Re: German Write off [Re: xc68anc] #743612
04/06/22 06:40 AM
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It's the old thing about race cars again. People seem to want to be able to buy road cars that have race car levels of performance, without considering the entirely different driving environments. It's one thing to be able to take a car with hundreds of bhp and enormous torque out on a racetrack where sight lines are clear and you know nothing is coming the other way, but on a road, it's often positively dangerous.

The lane that leads down from our field joins the main road on a curve. The surface at the exit is usually covered with silt and gravel as all the rain run-off comes down the lane. Visibility back up the main road is about 100m max. The speed limit on that stretch is 50, and although in theory the oncoming drivers know there is a minor road joining ahead, precious few take any notice of it - or indeed of the speed limit either. You've got about 4 seconds to pull out and get up to speed to avoid the possibility of someone coming round the corner and hitting you up the arse.

So exit the lane safely, you have to accelerate briskly whilst turning left, and make sure you don't run wide and stray into the path of incoming traffic. In my car I sometimes overdo it a bit, but it's dead easy to catch any slide and straighten up without drama. But in a Plus Six that hits maximum torque with the tiniest whisper of throttle? I'd be terrified. It's great that there are drivers out there with very high levels of driving skill who are able to fully enjoy supercar levels of performance safely, and it's great that there are cars available to allow them to enjoy their skills to the limit, but for most, it's altogether just too much.

Like Dave says, self-belief can be a dangerous thing.


Tim H.
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Re: German Write off [Re: xc68anc] #743713
05/06/22 11:01 PM
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There are two ways of looking at it.
1.You have learned how the car responds and have an empathy with it. You have the physical-mental link that means you understand how to moderate and control the response. Add in your reading of the road, conditions etc.
2. You don’t have that mental- physical combination so have to avoid a car that takes you beyond your ability to sense, control the response and/or read the road/ conditions.
Every person has abilities that range between 1 and 2 and the important part is recognising your limits.
What are you comfortable with?


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Re: German Write off [Re: Peter J] #743716
06/06/22 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter J

I have driven 2 cars with the BMW B58 motor. My M140i and the Plus Six. I disliked both... for the way the power was delivered and the ride quality.


You should try the Toyota Supra. I would be interested to know if it is the same or whether Toyota have tuned the engine nicer.

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