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Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: Clipper] #743952
08/06/22 09:58 AM
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My new Plus Four was completed but then held at the factory since 13th May 2022. Best wishes to everyone who's away in their cars, keep safe.
Rob

Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: Clipper] #743953
08/06/22 10:31 AM
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Just curious -- what does this imply for all the CX demonstrators, the new/unsold cars, and the low-mileage used cars being held at dealers ?


Peter
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Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: Lordofthewings] #743956
08/06/22 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Lordofthewings
Just curious -- what does this imply for all the CX demonstrators, the new/unsold cars, and the low-mileage used cars being held at dealers ?


They won't need to be returned to the dealers, as they're already there smile

I imagine they'd just get fixed/upgraded as part of the process.


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Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: +8Rich] #743963
08/06/22 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by +8Rich
Originally Posted by Derek596
Just been told of this problem. Apparently we must not drive our vehicles. Due to possible brake failure (mentioned in the recall) and the fact that we must not drive, are we actually insured? Read the small print in your policy. I bet we are not and if we have an accident then who will pay. But how are we going to get our vehicles to our dealership?

I'll repeat it - Once the CX owners have personally received this email from MMC they have effectively transferred the risk onto the owners/drivers with all that implies.. including invalidating your insurance naturally.

MMC have the responsibility now to trailer your car to your dealer or the factory.

Happy to be corrected as always.

This is a bummer but a safety call is serious unlike a dripping radiator or cardboard seats...

Hi Rich,
If MMC say don't drive your car it may not be safe and you are foolish enough to drive it then the risk you are choosing to take on board is lack of insurance.

What other risk are you including in "with all that implies".

Maybe I'm missing something, in which case as a Plus Four owner I should be concerned not to mention grateful if you could point out whatever that might be.

Thanks and regards,

John


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Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: Clipper] #743964
08/06/22 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by MMC
Dear Mister ,...................
We understand from our records that you are the current registered keeper of a vehicle with the chassis number
detailed above.
We would like to advise you that during ongoing quality assessment of our product we have identified a possible
safety related issue in respect of all Morgan Plus Four and Plus Six vehicles.
Preliminary investigations indicate that in certain limited circumstances, premature degradation of the rubber seal(s) in
the brake master cylinder may result in compromised brake performance, and in extreme cases cause brake failure.
Because this is a possible safety issue, we are immediately advising that you should not drive your vehicle until a
rectification action has been completed.
Your supplying dealer will contact you as soon as the service action has been finalised in order to arrange for your
car to be rectified.
This work will of course be carried out free of charge. If you have any questions regarding this letter, please speak to
your supplying or nearest Morgan Dealership. Please quote the recall reference detailed at the top right-hand side of
the letter when calling.
We have sent you this important notice as we are concerned about your safety.
Your safety is our highest priority. We regret any inconvenience this inspection may cause; however, we are
committed to ensuring the continued safe operation of your vehicle.


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Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: JJR] #743965
08/06/22 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JJR
Originally Posted by +8Rich
Originally Posted by Derek596
Just been told of this problem. Apparently we must not drive our vehicles. Due to possible brake failure (mentioned in the recall) and the fact that we must not drive, are we actually insured? Read the small print in your policy. I bet we are not and if we have an accident then who will pay. But how are we going to get our vehicles to our dealership?

I'll repeat it - Once the CX owners have personally received this email from MMC they have effectively transferred the risk onto the owners/drivers with all that implies.. including invalidating your insurance naturally.

MMC have the responsibility now to trailer your car to your dealer or the factory.

Happy to be corrected as always.

This is a bummer but a safety call is serious unlike a dripping radiator or cardboard seats...

Hi Rich,
If MMC say don't drive your car it may not be safe and you are foolish enough to drive it then the risk you are choosing to take on board is lack of insurance.

What other risk are you including in "with all that implies".

Maybe I'm missing something, in which case as a Plus Four owner I should be concerned not to mention grateful if you could point out whatever that might be.

Thanks and regards,

John

Hi John,

The risk of injury serious or otherwise for one, endangering other road users springs to mind but the list is long.
Worse case scenario you write the car off yourself and passenger plus whatever else/person you connect with, it is a huge risk, but some people gamble too.
It may even be a prosecutable offence but that is a guess.

Brakes and steering are the zero tolerance areas for me though.

Regards,
Rich


Regards Richard

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Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: Clipper] #743966
08/06/22 12:17 PM
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Oh man, thats bad news. And i wolud Saturday on the Racetrack Bilster Berg.

Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: Clipper] #743976
08/06/22 01:50 PM
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Expect they will have a fix in days rather than weeks as they won’t be able to sell any cars so no income from car sales till
It is fixed…

Challenge will be for the dealers and factory to have the time to fix all the cars

If Robs car has been held at the factory since the 13th May does that mean they have know about the issue since then? I notice on Instagram dealers like Krazy Horse where doing new car deliveries last week.

Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: flyfisher] #743980
08/06/22 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by flyfisher
Challenge will be for the dealers and factory to have the time to fix all the cars

So general disruption within the system, and at a busy time of year. How many CX's have been sold ? In the UK, divide that figure by the number of dealers, and that's a chunk of time taken-up per dealer, thereby also pushing-back ongoing servicing etc. As trailering is required, that also ties-up transport for around a day per car to get them to the dealers; and then what ? -- trailer time/cost again to get them back to the hapless owners ?


Peter
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Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: Clipper] #743987
08/06/22 02:44 PM
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The root cause of this will be interesting, because braking systems are well developed nowadays, so it's hard to see how this situation has come about.


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