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I've buggered something up but don't know what ... #745685
24/06/22 10:22 AM
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Yesterday I followed Mr Bleazey's instructions on how to remove a rear tyre. Worked like a dream had the tyre fitted and reassembled. Went for a little drive this morning and it felt great until I had to brake suddenly when not much happened albeit it did stop without incident. Thank God. Now I have two cables hanging and dripping brake fluid. Clearly I haven't reassembled something correctly or I didn't tie up the cables correctly. Anyway can somebody tell me what I need to do to get this sorted?

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Actually the brake didn't go back in in exactly the same place hence the problem. Anyway once I get that refitted is it repairable?

As the two hoses have pulled out I guess it's at least one each of those? don't know what they are called but can't see anything on the alternative parts list either.

Last edited by Jonathan G; 24/06/22 11:17 AM.

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Re: I've buggered something up but don't know what ... [Re: Jonathan G] #745694
24/06/22 11:48 AM
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It appears you've broken the adaptor for the rear wheel cylinder to hydraulic hose (referencing your second photo). So that will need replaced. And as the remnants of the adaptor will still be in the rear wheel slave cylinder, you'll need to remove the rear wheel again and disassemble the rear brake assembly to get to the cylinder to insure all metal bits have been removed. The hose itself is likely fine. Actually probably best to replace the cylinder entirely as they tend to corrode and they are not too expensive.

Your last two photos look like the parking brake cable housing, minus the cable itself. Likely the cable has broken. Is the remnant of the cable hanging out of the rear drum?

Odd that these two thing happened at the same time. Perhaps you need to practice a kinder, more gentle style of wrenching?


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Re: I've buggered something up but don't know what ... [Re: Jonathan G] #745697
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Thank you for your comments Bitsofbrits. Yes the cable is broken too so you're spot on there too. The car is 10 years old so maybe a new cylinder is the way to go albeit it doesn't seem too rusty - I'll double check that.

Now for the complexity of where the cables all go. The cylinder bit should be straightforward but the rest of it is beyond me but I'm sure someone can point me in the right direction and also where to get the cables from.

Last edited by Jonathan G; 24/06/22 12:28 PM.

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Re: I've buggered something up but don't know what ... [Re: Jonathan G] #745705
24/06/22 01:39 PM
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Bitsobrits is correct, and I might add that breaking both at the same time seems like they got caught in the wheel and were ripped off.

Re: I've buggered something up but don't know what ... [Re: Jonathan G] #745707
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Johnathon, sorry to read this and good luck.
PM Red Three, he has an enormous amount of experience and expertise in stripping down and rebuilding the back end.


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Re: I've buggered something up but don't know what ... [Re: Jonathan G] #745709
24/06/22 02:40 PM
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Nothing to do with your immediate issue but in your last photo it looks as if you may have some corrosion around the body rivet that will need attention before getting any worse.


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Re: I've buggered something up but don't know what ... [Re: britmog] #745713
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Oh yes I have had corrosion around quite a few. Done some and am quite pleased with the result but still 4 to go.


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Re: I've buggered something up but don't know what ... [Re: Jonathan G] #745724
24/06/22 03:44 PM
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Just saw this...looks like the reaction arm (fairly substantial aluminium plate with a slot in it) on the brake assembly hasn't been slotted over the boss on the inside face of the swingarm so when you've hit the brakes the drum has spun the internal mechanism pulling the hand brake cable apart and probably hitting the elbow fitting on the brake hose on the swing arm which has sheared the male-male fitting that connects it to the slave cylinder.
The slave cylinders are cheap and easily available, i wouldn't even bother trying to get the remnant of the fitting out of the old one, just fit a new one and make a point of greasing under the two cylinder boots when fitting it. A new cylinder is probably cheaper than a decent Easy-Out for getting the fitting out anyway.
It does look to me like you will need a complete new handbrake cable which means taking the wheel out, getting the brake mechanism out, cleaning everything, greasing the right bits of mechanism, removing the cable from the lever assembly in the transmission tunnel, attaching the new cable at the front, threading it through to the back then getting it through the brake back plate and attached to the brake shoe.. You'll want to take photos of the mechanism as you dismantle it and even then if you're not used to drum brakes then it can be a bit challenging getting everything assembled correctly. I've attached some photos of the mechanism but I don't have a clear step by step guide.
While doing all this, it would be worth fitting the adjustable pivot block for the the ends of the shoes away from the slave cylinder, it makes it easier to get the mechanism in and out of the drum and easier to set up just about right.

three photos of the shoe with the self adjusting mechanism on it.
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Three photos of the handbrake cable attached to the lever on the other shoe.
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Three pics of the shoe with the cable and lever on the mechanism showing the mechanism that attaches to it.
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Re: I've buggered something up but don't know what ... [Re: Jonathan G] #745731
24/06/22 04:38 PM
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That is another good Post by RedThree.

I would be thinking about throwing more money at it with a disc brake system if I had this happen to me.

Re: I've buggered something up but don't know what ... [Re: Jonathan G] #745738
24/06/22 05:29 PM
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Yes excellent post but I think I would mess it up. I have already contacted M3W Services about their disc brakes. Expensive but crikey this will be a fair chunk towards it.


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