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Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 #747768
13/07/22 09:56 AM
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When our Plus 6 eventually arrives, I would like to be able to jack the car to remove wheels and check underside etc... The manuals state only use a 4 point lift to elevate the car on the approved mid car reinforced lift points and that use of a jack on the side should only be done in an emergency to clear debris.
So how do you go about jacking the car in a home garage, apart from purchasing an expensive hydraulic scissor lift to lift on the mid car areas?. For our Roadster I made up two lift beams to fit and lift at the front and rear of the car in the area a jack would reach, however, that approach will not work if the lifting points that Morgan say have to be used are mid car.
When we undertook our factory tour this Spring I can not recollect seeing scissor lifts in the build area prior to the chassis being fitted with wheels, so they must use some sort of jack to elevate the car onto their moveable build frames?.

Does anyone have experience of jacking a CX platform car for home garage work??

Dave


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Re: Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 [Re: Davetherave] #747769
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Hello Dave, Congratulations on ordering a top of the range car cheers I don't have a CX so will refrain from comment on jacking.

This is a previous thread from a while back posing the same question.
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Re: Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 [Re: Davetherave] #747770
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Dave, the Aero tub has 4 jacking points, 2 on each side, about 20cm from the wheel towards the mid point. I have no issues using a trolly jack to lift the car at one of these points.

The CX tub is claimed to be far stiffer than the Aero tub, so I don't understand why they talk about using only a 4 point lift.
BUT there is a tendency in the motor industry to discourage DIY work of any sort, I suspect to mitigate the possibility of liability falling back to the OEM. So the advice to use only a 4 point lift could be more to discourage any DIY servicing than anything else.

Peter


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Re: Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 [Re: Peter J] #747800
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Thank you Peter, the CX jacking points are similar it would seem. I would have jacked it the same as you say in a standard vehicle.. Jack one side at the jack point, place axle stand, then jack the other and insert 2nd axle stand... I suspect you are correct re Morgans handbook comments ref the liability aspect to discourage owners tinkering with their cars..
However, while out for a drive this afternoon in the Roadster to Porlock Weir in a very sunny West Somerset. I came up with the idea of a heavy duty aluminium I beam cut to size to fit across and under the car with rubber on it at the chassis jacking contact area and using two jacks, one each side.. so it could lift the vehicle in a level plane, it would be a bit fiddly/slow and a tad Heath Robinson, but it should work safely if done slowly and on the proviso that the car is not jacked a long way up in the air, the going up bit seems doable, but the coming down would need to be done in very small stages... I will give this idea some more thought. A revised thought on this, would be to simply to use two jacks one each side at the jacking point and jack back and forth, but same caution needed when coming back down.

Also thanks Richard for that link ref onboard equipment or lack of it.. No tools in our intended Plus 6 its not quite new, but very very low milage. I have susssed out a German version of the Sealey scissor jack that comes in a soft carrying case, plus Coninental tyres do a nice little tyre kit comprising of an electric 12v compressor/dispenser and a cannister of puncture sealant, you screw the sealant canister into the pump dispenser then inflate the tyre, the compressor injects the sealant as it pumps up the tyre.. Now this is nowhere as good as a spare, but it may be better to have something rather than nothing.. The sad bit is that this will all have to go behind the seats using up some of the space that Morgan " improved " apon from the Trad design....

Dave

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Re: Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 [Re: Davetherave] #747806
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Wonder if you might consider this type of jacking system Dave.
https://www.quickjacklift.co.uk/

Re: Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 [Re: Luddite] #747808
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Yes, looked at this option.. I was hoping to use the equipment I already have. ie standard low profile jacks.. but a hydraulic twin lift scissor may be the answer in the end...but I would have to sneak it past " she who must be obeyed"
Dave


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Re: Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 [Re: Luddite] #747815
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Originally Posted by Luddite
Wonder if you might consider this type of jacking system Dave.
https://www.quickjacklift.co.uk/


I like that, but the height might be a problem: the Plus 8 with 19" AeroMax Wheels and 35 profile tyres is VERY low.


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Re: Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 [Re: Davetherave] #747867
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Lots of vids on the Quickjack site apparently it may be 3" when folded down ....?

Re: Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 [Re: Luddite] #747878
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Originally Posted by Luddite
Wonder if you might consider this type of jacking system Dave.
https://www.quickjacklift.co.uk/

For that price you might as well go for the convenience of a full size hydraulic scissor lift. My Automotech AS-7630 was £1500 delivered.

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After nearly a year of very regular use I have nothing but praise for it. It can reach full extension with my Roadster roof down, allowing leisurely work underneath using old office chair. You do need scaffold planks to raise car adequately to drive over it though. Have also since added stainless plates for the rear scissor rollers to run on.


Richard

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Re: Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 [Re: RichardV6] #747880
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Originally Posted by RichardV6

For that price you might as well go for the convenience of a full size hydraulic scissor lift.


Yep, deffo. I've got the Strongman equivalent. Ace bit of kit.


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