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Re: Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 [Re: Davetherave] #752964
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Any news on the plus 6 and jacking option Dave? I was edging towards the Quick jack system..


Mike
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2010 Roadster S2
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Re: Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 [Re: MikeFromPembroke] #753020
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Hi Mike, I havent made much progress on this yet. I did talk to Williams about jacking the Plus 6 front and back and they were fairly cagey in their reply, they accepted you could side jack it on the approved areas in an emergency to change a wheel or when rotating the wheel when you inject wheel sealant goo, but they did not go for using jacks fore and aft to lift the P6.. They did say that scissor jacking using the 4 approved lift points together would be fine.as this would be similar to the garage lift. I havent progressed further on a scissor lift system as our Plus 6 only came home for 6 days and then went back for work on the wiper system. When the P6 returns I need to check the height between the chassis ( platform) lift points and the floor. Although I can get around this as I have 4 low profile wheel ramps that you simply drive up and on. These give about an exta 50mm or so of height. They were developed for low sports cars to allow a jack to get underneath. My second consideration is that my garage work area has a slight slope, as it is a converted stable.. I think the max degree of slope is around 5 deg and ours is more than this, so I may have to come up with a packing system to make the scissor jack and car level.


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Re: Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 [Re: Davetherave] #753100
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Thanks Dave, I might progress the quick lift option and do some measuring up. Hope you get the car back soon.


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Re: Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 [Re: Davetherave] #753128
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Richard,
Quick thread drift: I have just ordered side pipes from Librands, to fit the existing silencers and now see your oval pipes. Were they a factory fit by any chance ?

Re: Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 [Re: MikeFromPembroke] #767203
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Originally Posted by MikeFromPembroke
Any news on the plus 6 and jacking option Dave? I was edging towards the Quick jack system..

Hello Mike, a very late reply ref 4 point jacking. In the end I purchased a Quick Jack for the Plus Six. The model is a BL-3500SLX and lifts upto 1600 Kg. It is portable and easily moved around. The distances between jacking points works on the Plus Six perfectly. The lift has two locking positions at mid and full rise and when locked it can be left safely with the car jacked up. The only downside of the system is making sure each side of the jacking system is in alignment with the Plus Six 4 lift points, the jack comes with two adjusters to help push and pull the lifts into position. Also because the lifts are running down each side of the car access to the centre of the car is only possible from the front or rear, but still plenty of room available. I would say they are ideal to undertake normal maintenance under the car etc, but maybe not the kit to use if you wanted to drop out a gearbox..

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Re: Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 [Re: Davetherave] #767207
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Thanks for the reply Dave, not yet taken the plunge but think the quick jack is the way to go, good to have the model number that fits.
Once again thanks
Mike


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Re: Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 [Re: meabh] #767212
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Originally Posted by meabh
Richard,
Quick thread drift: I have just ordered side pipes from Librands, to fit the existing silencers and now see your oval pipes. Were they a factory fit by any chance ?

Apologies for very late reply, only just seen your post and realised it was directed to me. The MMC AR side pipes for my 3.7 Roadster are the factory option but were fitted well after purchase by myself. They include round section silencers with integral side pipes and oval diffusers, similar to standard rear exit ones.

[Linked Image]

The silencer front caps are removevable, presumably to add/remove baffle material, and have same flared ends to fit directly to CAT's.

Only obstacle with retro fitting is the location of rear support L shaped bracket, bolted to chassis just behind seat cross member. For the shorter AR silencers this bracket needs to be ideally bolted to chassis just in front of cross member as would happen if they were spec'd from new. I found that a considerable amount of work would be required removing seats, belts and trim to access chassis and drill fresh holes.

This is the solution I came up with using thick stainless plate to extend OE mounting forwards and bolts up to provide firm mounting, proven to be fine over time.

[Linked Image]


Richard

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Re: Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 [Re: Davetherave] #767945
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Originally Posted by Davetherave
Hi Mike, I havent made much progress on this yet. I did talk to Williams about jacking the Plus 6 front and back and they were fairly cagey in their reply, they accepted you could side jack it on the approved areas in an emergency to change a wheel or when rotating the wheel when you inject wheel sealant goo, but they did not go for using jacks fore and aft to lift the P6.. They did say that scissor jacking using the 4 approved lift points together would be fine.as this would be similar to the garage lift. I havent progressed further on a scissor lift system as our Plus 6 only came home for 6 days and then went back for work on the wiper system. When the P6 returns I need to check the height between the chassis ( platform) lift points and the floor. Although I can get around this as I have 4 low profile wheel ramps that you simply drive up and on. These give about an exta 50mm or so of height. They were developed for low sports cars to allow a jack to get underneath. My second consideration is that my garage work area has a slight slope, as it is a converted stable.. I think the max degree of slope is around 5 deg and ours is more than this, so I may have to come up with a packing system to make the scissor jack and car level.


Interesting, Dave. I purchased a scissor jack for touring in case I needed to remove a wheel on the road and for wheel removal in my garage so I could clean back of wheels. First time I used it in the approved and reinforced pad, the crank handle of the scissor jack sheared. Now, could just be the crank handle was made of monkey metal but my suspicion is that the amount of effort to raise a scissor jack from an almost flattened position under load is the real issue. I resorted to taking the jack back and buying a two tonne trolley jack for the garage and will use the high quality scissor jack from my Lexus when touring. All wheels removed and cleaned this week, courtesy of the trolley jack.


Andy
2022 Plus Four / San Marino Blue
Re: Garage jacking a CX platform Plus 4 and Plus 6 [Re: Davetherave] #767967
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Porsche used to do a really nice quality scissor jack in alloy, light & yet strong, I managed to buy a used one a few years ago from a specialist breaker which I now keep in the Mog because it's very compact and lightweight


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