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Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: Clipper] #749358
25/07/22 10:27 AM
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The cost of extras is a mind boggling view!
How DESPERATE are you to have, say. leather stitching in a non standard colour ? Then see how much to basically swop the bobbin on the sewing machine! Paint colour is another. Unless specifying a special paint then fairly minimal cost of new paint. There are serious mark-ups.
It’s the same for just about every car. Mainstream you get a few model choices with “ upgrades” to the features. A few accessories to add in ( often thrown in by the salesman to clinch a sale. Standardised production to , say, 4/5 model options to streamline the production line. How many do you end up never using?
With a low volume company hand building then there is scope to offer personalisation. It is a damn good profit generator!
I used the CX configurator when launched. Started with the basic spec then added on, for me, essential extras ( luggage rack). No fancy bling, just a “ poor man’s CX spec”. It is easy to see what extras you can get then think “ it’s a one off so ok, let’s do it. “ hmmmm the wheels look nicer.....change the colour of the roof......dash spec.....
Try it! spend
Resale value......yes some options make the car LOOK more desirable and help the sale but to what recouping of up front outlay? Same as selling a house. Initial impression helps to ease into the sale.
My thought process is one of when work is needed to replace parts then how much extra to upgrade? Brakes.....upgrade to stainless brake lines instead of new “ rubber”. Dampers....upgrade or original?




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Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: Clipper] #749360
25/07/22 10:46 AM
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Buying second-hand Morgans is all about compromising your ideals. It's what pushes people into speccing a new one.

Most people have red lines, especially about paint colour, and to a lesser extent interior colour. That's primarily what drives a "buyer to Morgan" match.

The CXs are reasonably specced as standard, and bearing in mind how complicated the upgrades have been, even up to now, anyone new to Morgan, even with research will struggle to figure out the seat upgrades for one thing, the squeaky brake issues, the soft-top modifications, and now the radiator and master cylinder issues.

I prefer the soft top with side flaps anyway. The seats are modifiable at a push, and so it comes down the visuals of paint and interior. I think the SH market will be quiet until all this blows over.


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Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: Clipper] #749362
25/07/22 10:49 AM
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A Porsche ideology, LESS IS MORE, the stripped out light weight cars always cost a lot MORE money.


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Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: Clipper] #749363
25/07/22 11:03 AM
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Buy any new car and add options and the bill mounts up. Take it back three years later to trade in and the salesman isn’t interested in them when offering the punter a price.
The CX is a bold and necessary move for Morgan. But what would put me off is the added complexity and high price; they seem to be in Boxster and Cayman territory where these are more usable all round propositions.
I wasn’t interested in spending that sort of money on a fun car. Also wanted the prewar feel without the (most of!) prewar problems so bought a Trad’.
Think that in a few years as the world rapidly pivots to EV and some exciting EV sporting cars emerge then all ICE cars will drop in value by quite a bit. I’m convinced that future governments will hammer petrol even though Classic Car businesses are still a relatively vibrant but small part of the economy.

Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: Clipper] #749373
25/07/22 12:20 PM
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I thought the first units shipped were the loaded special edition models in metallic blue and green.


Everyone loves a Morgan. Even me, unless it's broken again.
Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: Alistair] #749374
25/07/22 12:26 PM
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That was my understanding, Berrybrook still had one of these for sale up until a couple of months ago - I don't imagine the seating arrangements were selling it.


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Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: Alistair] #749375
25/07/22 12:39 PM
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Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: Clipper] #749389
25/07/22 04:24 PM
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Does anyone have an idea of how long this recall is going to take and how many vehicles have been completed. I for one have heard nothing regarding when my vehicle is likely to be scheduled in never mind collected. Do we contact our supplying Dealer, Our servicing Dealer or MMC?

Any positive comments would be welcome!

Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: Mikemog6] #749391
25/07/22 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikemog6
A Porsche ideology, LESS IS MORE, the stripped out light weight cars always cost a lot MORE money.


I can remember an FT article about this some time ago, they were in awe of Porsche marketing expertise in being able to sell Lightweight specials at a considerable price uplift, despite the specials being cheaper to produce.


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Re: Safety Recall - Brakes [Re: Clipper] #749406
25/07/22 06:32 PM
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Thought I might shed some light on the topic of recalls where parts are concerned and not software. The below might not apply to this recall but I suspect it does.

Unless I've missed it, it's not yet clear who makes the components and how large of an outfit they are. This alone can play into how quick they can ramp up replacement parts. Does the Six have different brakes that the Four?

However, in general, new and aftermarket components don't often come off the same assembly line. I once worked for Siemens Automotive where we were making HVAC motors for BMW. We had two lines running. One for motors that were meant for the production line to keep the factory moving and a smaller assembly line for motors that would be used for replacement parts. I worked on both and for the life of me I couldn't make out what was different. To me the parts were the same, assembly, testing etc.

From my work within the VAG, I know the same goes for many of the wheels that are used. One department works with the supplier to place and forecast orders while a totally separate department works for the same supplier to feed the aftersales and warranty side of things.

In short, MMC are likely at the mercy of their supplier and/or the warranty side of MMC trying to get said supplier to ramp up production to meet their need. Contractually both are likely separate so said supplier is trying to fulfil two requirements.,

Hopefully this helps shed some light on what goes on in the background and eases any misgivings about MMC keeping the factory line moving.

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