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Re: New PlusFour Owner Introduction [Re: DalesPlusFour] #749965
30/07/22 10:09 PM
30/07/22 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DalesPlusFour
Appreciate the suggestion that I’m exhibiting great bravery in purchasing a broadly senseless, practically questionable, undeniably beautiful recreational toy. I think my wife and some friends suggested other character attributes, so I’m delighted to be able to add bravery to the list!

In all seriousness though, as a Morgan outsider and former BMW and now Land Rover owner, y’all’s hand ringing over this seems a bit precious and pedantic. It’s a car from a tiny manufacturer that’s hand made between factory whistles for tea breaks. Sure they’re having some issues but every exotic car does and most non-exotics do too. They’re working hard to fix the mechanical issues and while I’m sure all the arm chair generals here would have fought the battle differently with hind sight, it seems to me they’re working through things in a reasonable fashion given this scale of the issue. And if I’m wrong, then they’re working through things like every other car manufacturer I’ve encountered. At best they’re doing great. At worst, they’re doing fairly standard by the industry standard.

It’s a shame many owners aren’t able to enjoy they’re completely recreational vehicle for a month or two because of a safety recall, but the ire expressed here just serves to indicate the quantity of free time and limited alternative interests of many owners. Cars get recalled. My in-laws had a mini in with the dealer for three months waiting on a thermostat a few years ago. Things happen. We pivot and adapt and remain glad we can enjoy our completely recreational toys when we’re able. Is the recall ideal? No. Is it desirable? No. Is it unexpected for a car manufacturer of any volume? No. At the end of the day you pay your money and you make your choice.


Well said.

Re: New PlusFour Owner Introduction [Re: DalesPlusFour] #749966
30/07/22 10:21 PM
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Dales - it’s not the fact there is a recall - all manufacturers have them - it’s the crass lack of transparency and the failing to honour promises about warranty work that is exercising everybody. They say that they are communicating with CX owners - well I haven’t had any communication that I haven’t originated.! The responses to my emails has been Abismal to say the least -see my mail in the brakes recall thread.
Those 1200 or so people who spent a considerable sum on a new car deserve better

They apparently have an aftersales department - I think they either should get the finger out or be fired before The company’s reputation is destroyed

Last edited by Robbie; 30/07/22 10:24 PM.

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Re: New PlusFour Owner Introduction [Re: gaston] #749967
30/07/22 10:23 PM
30/07/22 10:23 PM
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Apart from an errant ‘they’re’ that should read ‘their’. Alas. Despite telling my students to proofread their work I remain incapable of doing so myself!


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Re: New PlusFour Owner Introduction [Re: DalesPlusFour] #749968
30/07/22 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DalesPlusFour
Appreciate the suggestion that I’m exhibiting great bravery in purchasing a broadly senseless, practically questionable, undeniably beautiful recreational toy. I think my wife and some friends suggested other character attributes, so I’m delighted to be able to add bravery to the list!

In all seriousness though, as a Morgan outsider and former BMW and now Land Rover owner, y’all’s hand ringing over this seems a bit precious and pedantic. It’s a car from a tiny manufacturer that’s hand made between factory whistles for tea breaks. Sure they’re having some issues but every exotic car does and most non-exotics do too. They’re working hard to fix the mechanical issues and while I’m sure all the arm chair generals here would have fought the battle differently with hind sight, it seems to me they’re working through things in a reasonable fashion given this scale of the issue. And if I’m wrong, then they’re working through things like every other car manufacturer I’ve encountered. At best they’re doing great. At worst, they’re doing fairly standard by the industry standard.

It’s a shame many owners aren’t able to enjoy they’re completely recreational vehicle for a month or two because of a safety recall, but the ire expressed here just serves to indicate the quantity of free time and limited alternative interests of many owners. Cars get recalled. My in-laws had a mini in with the dealer for three months waiting on a thermostat a few years ago. Things happen. We pivot and adapt and remain glad we can enjoy our completely recreational toys when we’re able. Is the recall ideal? No. Is it desirable? No. Is it unexpected for a car manufacturer of any volume? No. At the end of the day you pay your money and you make your choice.


Also, well said


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Re: New PlusFour Owner Introduction [Re: DalesPlusFour] #749972
30/07/22 11:53 PM
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In fairness to Morgan re: transparency and communication, I think as Morgan owners we are a tad spoilt when it comes to how accessible Morgan is when compared to other OEMs. For example, the ability to tour the factory and place your hand on your build, talk to the MD etc. Most other OEMs send a letter that a recall has been issued and to contact your selling retailer, end of. Perhaps Morgan should try a bit less harder in trying to be so accessible as odd as that sounds.

As I've mentioned in the recall thread, where I tried to bring some insight into the how things happen in regards to recalls, MMC are doing as well if not a tad better than the big players. As Dale touched on, it's not ideal but at the end of the day it is what it is and I'm certain it will sort itself out.

My first 4 months of ownership of my Morgan was spent dropping it off at the retailer and MMC to get it right so I understand the frustration.


Last edited by Perry_P_M3W; 30/07/22 11:53 PM.
Re: New PlusFour Owner Introduction [Re: DalesPlusFour] #749978
31/07/22 04:50 AM
31/07/22 04:50 AM
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Dales, you have the right attitude to become a Morgan owner.

YES owning a Morgan is a total indulgence, and buying one certainly not a rationale. What use is a two seater car with barely enough room for and overnight bag, but who cares? Who would buy a sports car with only a two star safety rating? My brother is an enthusiastic glider pilot – who in their right mind would buy an aircraft with only two seats, no engine, and you always need a tow!

I have been a sports car enthusiast right from the time as a teenager I came home with an old J2 MG – a photo of it is still on my office wall. My Morgans have given me heaps of fun and pure enjoyment. There is nothing better in my mind to heading off on a sunny day to a country pub or café for a lunch then winding one way home on country roads. Plus I find Morgan owners a great group of like-minded people – a fun crowd.

Sure this latest handful of problems is worrying, especially as a Plus Six owner, but once the changes, with the help of MMC, have been made then we will all go happily on our way in total bliss. Your Plus Four is going to give you years of pleasure and great motoring.


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Re: New PlusFour Owner Introduction [Re: DalesPlusFour] #749980
31/07/22 06:30 AM
31/07/22 06:30 AM
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DalesPlusFour - we are aligned in our hopes and expectations.

It is understandable that the current CX owners feel aggrieved and the frustration at lack of comms and speed of resolution is also completely normal. Let’s hope we are all happier soon!

From a personal perspective, it am a long time Range Rover owner so used to some challenges with my cars. It’s always pretty bad when something goes wrong but it didn’t stop me buying the next one as I love the cars. It took me a long time and a change of chassis (I am 6’7”) to pluck up the courage to jump into Morgan ownership. I am now besotted with the idea and desperate to get my car at the end of September. I hope for all of us that these issues will be resolved soon and everybody can get back to loving their Morgan and enjoying the life that comes with owning one.

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Last edited by DWil23; 31/07/22 06:34 AM.

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Re: New PlusFour Owner Introduction [Re: DWil23] #749981
31/07/22 06:42 AM
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Not often I’m dwarfed at 6’5”! Agree completely and share your joy at the new chassis’ accommodation of our length! That was the selling moment for me. I sat in one in the showroom in London and against every expectation, I fit.


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Re: New PlusFour Owner Introduction [Re: DalesPlusFour] #749983
31/07/22 07:06 AM
31/07/22 07:06 AM
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DalesPlusFour - Exactly!

I’ve had the idea of a “fun” car for a long time but always worried about whether I could make it work due to my height. When you search “tall driver” on most sports car forums (inc TM), you struggle to find anyone over 6’3”. Tried a Plus4 many years ago and it was a non-starter and now I am heavier and less agile than I was then.

When I belatedly found out about the CX chassis, and saw the review with Henry Catchpole, who’s 6’5 ish, I thought I’d give it a go. I immediately contacted my local dealer (Williams) to arrange a visit with the opening line of “I read about the new PlusFour and want to see if I can actually get into it”. I could - even with the roof on - although it is not very elegant. So decided to proceed pretty much immediately.


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Re: New PlusFour Owner Introduction [Re: DalesPlusFour] #749997
31/07/22 09:21 AM
31/07/22 09:21 AM
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Reading these posts it's pretty clear that most all the depressed/frustrated/angry ones are from actual owners of the cars and all the " don't be so picky and miserable" ones are from people who have one on order or are about to order. I think the words are unrealistic optimism...lets wait to hear from these same people a few months after they have actually parted with 90k and taken delivery....:)
There are those of us who have been buying new mogs for over 25 years who have suffered from qc issues and laughed and carried on anyway. But the company have distanced themselves from a family feel, moved into a much higher price area, presented a corporate image, moved away from small, personalised dealers, set up sales in direct competition with their remainig dealerships ( their advert in this month's Miscellany efectively says..buy even used cars direct from us as we can change interior colour schemes, seats etc to suit you which dealers can't).
And the qc issues are no longer a bit of paintwork here, poor exhaust mounting there, but are now really serious "don't drive the vehicle until fixed" brake failures!

It's no wonder there are fairly jaundiced views expressed. Maybe the new marketing model will be successful but you can't expect people who bought into the old model to admire it.
Nick

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