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Re: Help! Engine suddenly cut out.
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#751237
08/08/22 12:02 PM
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Major electrical faults are often linked to the Rectifier, so much so that many of us carry a spare. That's where I would start.
Andy
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Re: Help! Engine suddenly cut out.
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08/08/22 12:05 PM
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Re: Help! Engine suddenly cut out.
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08/08/22 01:29 PM
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RichardV6
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Yes almost certainly a short circuit somewhere from either cable or component Vitaloni ?? Problem is that 50 amp fuse feeds a thickish red cable which splits around 350mm further down the loom to ten different red distribution cables!
Six of these cables have secondary lower current fusing via direct feed to main fuse box, so they would have blown before 50 amp one and can be discounted unless there is cable chaffing causing a short en-route to fuse box.
This leaves the following red direct main feed cables, R23 to engine relay, R24 to start relay and R29 to ignition switch. There is also an R80 which I haven't traced yet, accounting for all ten red cables.
At this stage it would be helpful to know just when the replacement 50 amp fuse blew. Was it as soon as inserted with everything off, when ignition turned on or when a start was attempted? With this info I can be more specific in where to look.
Regarding fan staying on, with 2014 on models it's fused via one of the feeds from main 50 amp fuse. I'm guessing therefore it's an earlier model with retro fitted fan wired direct to battery via its own fuse. Perhaps you could also confirm.
Richard
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Re: Help! Engine suddenly cut out.
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08/08/22 04:14 PM
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RichardV6
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Thanks for verification Vitaloni. As the 50 amp fuse blows instantly the possibilities unfortunately are many, a short on any of the spliced together ten red distribution cables mentioned above or an ignition switch failure even though it's off. Doubt the two relays mentioned above would be the cause as neither would be energised with ignition off and no permanent grounds on them to cause internal short. Suggest a check for anything chaffing from 50 amp fuse to eleven way splice and on to each of the ten red cables fed from this point. If nothing found would turn attention to ignition switch as this is the only component fed directly by 50 amp fuse and permanently live to its input even when off, red cable to black connector. If you have a plentiful supply of 50 amp fuses pull off this connector and try with another fuse. It's tempting to benefit from MTWV2 experience but his immobiliser was working with everything off and fuse only blew with ignition on if I understand correctly. For obvious reasons immobiliser requires a permanent 12 volt feed but this is fed by fuse 3 (15 amp) in main fuse box which would have blown saving 50 amp one given immobiliser short. Sorry tracing of this fault is onerous but when you do find short it will be pretty obvious given its instantly taking out a 50 amp fuse. BTW try as I might I cannot find the other end of the tenth red cable from main feed splice. It appears on wiring schematic for both early and late M3W coded R80. It could be a spare feed never adopted on loom. If this is the case the loose end should be securely insulated but who knows 
Richard
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Re: Help! Engine suddenly cut out.
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10/08/22 11:38 AM
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I would still recommend isolating the rectifier to see whether whether the fuse still blows. Disconnect the rectifier multiway plug and also temporarily remove the thick cable from the red terminal post just in front of the oil tank. It's a quick and easy test and will either point the finger at or exonerate the rectifier.
Andy
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