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Re: The EV revolution...Piech. [Re: Heinz] #761131
11/11/22 05:13 PM
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I have 400bhp and 400lbft in my AC Cobra which feels more than enough with a long travel on the accelerator pedal as the only safety aid.

I can not imagine

(a) Having 617bhp and 761lbft

(b) drving it without the noise of a V8



Having said that the range of 190 miles is more than some I know are getting from a full tank

Re: The EV revolution...Piech. [Re: Heinz] #761194
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But......when you are low on battery power and need a top-up where can you get one and how long to do?
Yes, home charge and local driving is ok. But again how much to buy an EV?
Buy used?
Service by what garage? Safety check on the system?
I always think about the F1 drivers being told to jump off their car due to a possible risk of grounding by putting one foot on the floor. Not a common thing but a reminder.
Our tin-top was changed earlier this year. Petrol new version of the Sportage. Tested the self charge hybrid. Weird how it jumped from battery to ICE in very short distances. Not for me. Seamles change ut not enough time on battery. Full EV was nice but at extra cost and long delivery time.
So petrol on PCP to see what happens in 3 years for infrastructure improvements.
We do regular drives to Cardiff 60 miles away so no big range issues. Longer trips tend to be in the Morgan anyway. Estimated annual mileage is sub 10k so not enough to give short payback over ICE costs. The higher purchase cost hugely outweighs other savings. I remember a Which report comparing an EV versus equivalent ICE models. Several years to reach breakeven.


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Re: The EV revolution...Piech. [Re: Heinz] #761336
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My Tesla was £35k cheaper than my Morgan and much cheaper than my Range Rover - so it depends how you measure these things. I've saved on corporation tax, road tax, congestion charge, servicing and fuel duty - it will have paid for itself in 3 years, quite easily (in comparison).

As always, it depends on individual use cases. I do a 160 mile commute in and out of London which costs roughly £7 in volts Vs roughly £59 in petrol in the Range Rover (or Morgan). Fortunately I charge at home 99.9% of the time - if I was stuck with public chargers, the numbers wouldn't look as good.


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Re: The EV revolution...Piech. [Re: Jens] #761344
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Originally Posted by Jens
Actually, I don't really like modern cars anymore, and certainly not electric cars. But I like the Piech very much. Classic design without that aggressive look you see everywhere else.


The Piech is certainly a lovely design. Why, I wonder, are beautiful shapes restricted to cars which only the extremely wealthy can afford? Seems a bit unfair to me.


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Re: The EV revolution...Piech. [Re: Heinz] #761350
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Well said Tim. I think there is a huge gap for something in the sensible price range that is a thing of beauty.

Opel GT as a new Manta ?


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Re: The EV revolution...Piech. [Re: Heinz] #761525
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I've been wondering that for a long time too, Tim. For example, why can't a Toyota GR86 have a similar body?


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Re: The EV revolution...Piech. [Re: Heinz] #761545
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I agree, Jens. But in 25 years the then youngsters desire perhaps the GR86 as is now.


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Re: The EV revolution...Piech. [Re: Hamwich] #761555
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Originally Posted by Hamwich
Originally Posted by Jens
Actually, I don't really like modern cars anymore, and certainly not electric cars. But I like the Piech very much. Classic design without that aggressive look you see everywhere else.


The Piech is certainly a lovely design. Why, I wonder, are beautiful shapes restricted to cars which only the extremely wealthy can afford? Seems a bit unfair to me.


Nah, you don`t have to be wealthy to sample interesting machinery, there are other ways, you just need to find a way that suits, which usually equates to putting in rather a lot of extra time and effort. As for expectations of fairness... I gave up on that idea decades ago..

I have not a clue as to whatever the future might bring, I doubt it will be anything like the past I was fortunate enough to enjoy, but then I do remember my elders saying something similar when I was a yoof.. (-:

Re: The EV revolution...Piech. [Re: Heinz] #762661
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Originally Posted by Heinz
Originally Posted by howard

Interesting Heinz but I dont see the " These guys do everything differently." and some of the PR claims are definitely pushing things a bit.

In the 60s / 70s, there was a large gap between the technology used by mass manufacturers and the specialist smaller sporty companies. For example, the Alfa Guiletta had a DOHC engine and 5 speeds when standard familty car had 4 speeds at best and OHV engines. Gradually this gap has reduced to the point where mass manufacturers produce engines with the same technology as high end brands. Lamborghinis V10 is an example being used in bog standard Audi cars until recently. I see this pattern being continued and worsened with electric vehicles. The battery technology available to the likes of Tesla and Ford will be the same as that available to small makers and the same with the electric motors. But by the same token, the opportunities for small scale makers to start up has to be greater than it was in the past. Composite bodies together with standard motors and batteries from mass suppliers ..............

It will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

P.S. "no heat during current consumption" is only possible with 100% efficient engines and zero resistance superconductor wiring not to mention zero resistance batteries - not yet available at room temperature. See https://www.insidescience.org/news/...rconductivity-above-boiling-temperatures . Thats why I say "pushing it a bit"




Howard have a look at the measurement devices at minute 13:00 in the German speaking video below.

https://youtu.be/YdjUeZCHKnU

They achieved a maximum of only 15 degrees C plus, not any more, when charging fast or fast accelerating in a non stop manner without a pause.

Normally one would think that the small car tinkering companies only get the breadcrumbs that fall off the table at the big car companies. But here it is actually the other way around. The very small Piech company has several USPs at the moment. By the way, according to his interview in German, Piech's work is ignored in his family. Nor does he have a predestined situation because his father designed the Porsche 917 or was the big boss at VW. Is VW and the Piech/Porsche family perhaps deluding themselves about Tom Piech?

The price point was planned to be 200K for the two seater car but that was before inflation startet to dominate the markets nowadays.


If only I understood German as well as you understand English! Anyway the point I picked up on was not the temperature but the "no heat" bit.

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