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Anybody experiencing ill fitting sidescreens on plus four especially above th exterir door handles, We have at least a 1 inch gap between the body and the screen


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same on my car. I have added a piece of neoprene to decrease the air flow passing trough that gap

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At least one thing, that hasn´t changed! rofl englandwave


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Thanks Thierry , We have done similar , However and I appreciate “ it’s a Morgan Sir”stock answer MMC say it’s acceptable on a soft top car with s/ screens. I think it is totally unacceptable on a 80k car and feel MMC should up their game an redesign the rear qtr on the s/ screen.


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I agree totally - both my car - a 2021 car- and my friends 2022 model had huge gales of wind blow in at Kidney level at the back of the doors/ sidescreen level. I have pretty well solved the problem with various bits of neoprene, but it is very poor form that such defects are present in a car costing north of €100k here in Ireland! Surely the much vaunted design team are more competent than that!!
The model22 car with its “improved” “much quieter” hood is as bad as mine — time for Jon Wells and his merry band to get the finger out and solve it


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It's a strange one isn't it. If someone is buying a CX Morgan and they've had trad cars before they should probably expect all the normal idiosyncrasies that make a Morgan a Morgan.
I agree that at £80k+ you might expect a car to be watertight......but..... IT IS A MORGAN......with sidescreens....!

I don't think sidescreens, (or a Morgan) could ever be totally watertight. Nearly all other car manufacturers realised 60 years ago that sidescreens were rubbish and went to wind up windows.

If you put wind up windows on a trad lookalike CX it then takes one more step away from ye oldie worldie driving experience that Morgan owners 'say' they want.
I say, 'SAY' they want, because it's clear that what buyers perhaps actually want is a modern car.
By the time you've got an auto box, fancy hifi, footwell lights, heated seats, a/c and wind up windows etc etc you might as well get a normal car.....🤷🏻‍♂️

Perhaps it's more of a demonstration of the confused position MMC have put themselves in.
They want to make an up to date, relevant product, whilst at the sale time making a 1940's throwback.
They need to attract new clients but they need to retain the old client base.

Something has to give.

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Julian - it’s not the watertightness that’s at issue - it’s the gale of wind attacking the body at kidney level - none of the previous 3 Morgans I have owned had the problem - some did leak a bit, but not the gale of wind!! So I cannot be accused of not expecting known previous issues with the breed.
That said, the CX car is light years ahead of previous cars even though it has taken almost a year to quench the gale to an acceptable level!!!

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My salesman warned me. His statement was if you expect a perfect car for the money you are wrong at Morgan. I still decided to order a CX doh


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Originally Posted by CLPlusFour
My salesman warned me. His statement was if you expect a perfect car for the money you are wrong at Morgan. I still decided to order a CX doh



That more or less sums it all up. Side screens are part of the car and will never be air tight. But there are of course other quality control issues that MMC should get sorted.

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As I have said - It has taken almost a year to get the gale down to an acceptable level - I did NOT say it was eliminated! It IS a Morgan after all - I DID say that the design needs to be improved by the factory to the acceptable level without customers having to “bodge” it to the degree it has taken!
Neoprene foam is a “mighty” thing!!!!

Cheers all! And a very happy and merry Christmas from Ireland!


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I had the first ride today with my other good side... as my wife.I guess I will have to do the same and add a gasket to the side screens in the back.
thierry242 where did you get the piece of neoprene and how thick is it ?


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Morgan have a fix for the gales blowing into the car. They fitted mine with especially designed rubber seals. Not perfect but better. I would contact them and get some sent out to you.
For £80k I don’t buy the “it’s a Morgan” phrase. It’s not difficult to design the car to stop that gale. Crikey I didn’t have it on my 4/4 or Roadster so gone backwards if you ask me. In addition where there are gaps there are leaks which is totally unacceptable. The car itself is fantastic but the little things let it down big time.


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Thank you Jonathan for your info. I will talk to my dealer. Will not be able to talk to MMC directly from Germany.
I like the little things that you have to fix yourself at Morgan. That's what makes this car so charming to me. A Morgan is not a perfect car. Even if it is admittedly not a cheap vehicle.
But that's just my personal opinion.


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It was on amazon , i am searching the link.
I cut it in two with a good cutter and add a better double face scotch to fix it
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The right sidescreen has less wind passing that the left side on my car

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Originally Posted by thierry242
same on my car. I have added a piece of neoprene to decrease the air flow passing trough that gap

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Therry did you tape over the Orginal seal with the neoprene seal or do I have a different version from the factory.
This is what my side screen original looks like from the factory with a pre-existing gasket.
Draught comes on the right side right bottom and on the left side left bottom

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Originally Posted by thierry242
The right sidescreen has less wind passing that the left side on my car


For me, it's just the other way around. My vehicle pulls more on the right side. And since this is the passenger side of a left-hand drive, I was tasked with a quick solution. True to the motto... happy wife ... happy life


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i didnt have that seal on my car , they copy what i did .

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I didn’t have the seals on mine either but complained to Morgan about the wind and they retro fitted then for me. I think they are on all new cars now but they are far from perfect. Despite them telling me that had a specialist seal manufacturer design something especially for this car they do look like they copied yours 🤣🤣🤣


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I requested these gaskets from my dealer. They have to be settled well. They must start from the door and end before the hood. If the seals are well placed, there is no longer any wind inside.

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Mine were fitted at the Morgan factory and trust me they don’t get rid of the wind completely.

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Originally Posted by gaston

I requested these gaskets from my dealer. They have to be settled well. They must start from the door and end before the hood. If the seals are well placed, there is no longer any wind inside.


Gaston would it be possible that you post a picture of your side screen. Then it would be to see how far in your solution the seal is attached to the top and bottom.
It would be interesting to know if there is a difference to the current standard solution of the company.


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the problem is that the shape of the sidescreens is not the same btwn cars from 2020,2023.

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Thanks a lot Gaston 👍😎


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If I understood Gaston correctly, my seal would have to go down a little further


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Originally Posted by CLPlusFour
If I understood Gaston correctly, my seal would have to go down a little further


No, he's good down there. You have to check that it sticks well to the rear pillar of the car all the way.

I had to remove the leather seal for it to work well.

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Gaston,
I don’t have a rear pillar that I know of - perhaps this is a translation issue( if so, my apologies!!) can you be more specific re the positioning of the additional neoprene seal,please.

Regards from Ireland!


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Hello Robbie.
Sorry for the delay in answering your question.
have expressed myself badly

I must Before finally mounting your seals, you must close the door and check that this seal sticks well to the back of the door, otherwise the air will continue to enter. This seal is not necessarily glued to the leather of the side-screen..

You can see it in photo number 2.

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Originally Posted by gaston

I had to remove the leather seal for it to work well.


I have to ask again Gaston. Which leather seal do you mean


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it's a translation problem.

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A photo explains better than a long speech.

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Thank you Gaston ... now I understand. It's true a picture says more than words 👍


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Where the door seals touch the body, watch out for mild abrasion of the paint. It may not be a problem with the more rigid CX chassis, but the sidescreens will move about.


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