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Sennheiser Audio #764926
20/12/22 05:27 PM
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I was watching the video about the new Sennheiser audio on Youtube today and it struck me that the level of engineering that goes into this excellent feature needs a fair bit of understanding/cabling/electrics and I wondered how the dealers felt about it. What diagnostics tools are provided for something as complex as this?

I want the Plus Four/Six to be successful as there needs to be alternatives to square sheds with PHEV drive-trains but when something like this is introduced it is important to provide development and also post sales customer support?

I rather like having a good sound system in my Aero S2 and spent a bit of money on it so this is a good thing. I just hope it is taken through the whole spectrum of ownership?


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Re: Sennheiser Audio [Re: Alistair] #764935
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Sennheiser are recent entrants into branded automobile audio, previously noted for their headphones.

This is interesting....
https://en-uk.sennheiser.com/ambeo-mobility and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGVQnsN-5wI

I'm not totally sure that this is best experienced in an open top car.......


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Re: Sennheiser Audio [Re: Alistair] #764946
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Very happy with my Sennheiser headphones, as recommended by a certain Mr Mason...of considerable audio expertise


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Re: Sennheiser Audio [Re: Alistair] #764956
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Plus the Sennheiser microphones since decades.


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Re: Sennheiser Audio [Re: Alistair] #765077
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I wonder how well the noise management would work in a Morgan thinking Certainly a challenge.


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Re: Sennheiser Audio [Re: RichardV6] #765087
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Originally Posted by RichardV6
I wonder how well the noise management would work in a Morgan thinking Certainly a challenge.


Maybe a TM member has ordered a CX model 2023 and can report about his experiences after delivery


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Re: Sennheiser Audio [Re: Alistair] #765123
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When I fully enjoy Hard Bop or Steely Dan on my Tannoy Canterbury at home... so my noise management is named Diana🙄 And it turns on very reliably.


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Originally Posted by Heinz
When I fully enjoy Hard Bop or Steely Dan on my Tannoy Canterbury at home... so my noise management is named Diana🙄 And it turns on very reliably.


Mine is called Jan. She instinctively insists that the volume to be turned down every time she gets into my car.


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Re: Sennheiser Audio [Re: Alistair] #765139
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Oh wow, that's just what I've been hoping for when I'm driving my open top car. Forget the sounds of the birds, trees, all of nature that I have stupidly thought so beguiling. At last I will be able to believe in the audio simulation of being in the middle of a concert. Brilliant.
I will also greatly enjoy the sounds of nature app on my phone, through my headphones when I'm at a concert, hopefully loud enough to drown out the music.

Morgan Motor company, are you focussing on the right things these days? I thought automatic gearboxes were losing the plot...but fully immersive sound systems....gee whiz

Re: Sennheiser Audio [Re: Paul F] #765204
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"Mine is called Jan. She instinctively insists that the volume to be turned down every time she gets into my car.[/quote

Mine is called Geraldine. She always complained I had theTV too loud and I mentioned this in conversation with my GP. He sent me to audiology and it turned out I was in dire need of hearing assistance. It seems hearing goes downhill from about age 18. Add in a life of loud workshops, loud music, loud engines and it was no wonder I always had volume turned to max. Much better now with hearing aids. More depth and detail.

Re: Sennheiser Audio [Re: Alistair] #765216
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To answer seriously again, my days in rehearsal rooms or listening to very loud music at home are also over. My physical hearing has fortunately proven to be stable. Even a nasty hearing loss and loud tinnitus experience in the mid 90's was successfully treated, not without my active contribution and not residually, but in such a way that it doesn't bother me as much as it could. I think that my hearing experience and taste for certain sound preferences could be developed better and better into old age.
In this context, the word noise management takes on a different meaning. My listening to music, whether classical or jazz or rock wants to be fulfilled more with good sound than with sheer volume...even if volume in younger days also had a claim to good sound.
After this big digression I would like to come back to the topic of the thread. In a Morgan, probably whether Trad or CX, I can't imagine noise management doing much. I think that noise management in a normal car with closed windows can compensate for the "background noise". But an open Morgan where the biggest opponent is the very loud wind it will not be able to do much.
That said, I'm curious if Sennheiser can offer primarily good sound. In a Morgan regardless of NM, it depends much more on whether you can enjoy good sound at all.
In the Morgan it is not about subtle refinements but about the powerful overtones against the wind. I would very much like Sennheiser to do so because I like the brand.


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Re: Sennheiser Audio [Re: Alistair] #765222
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T`would seem to me hat a high end sound system in a Trad Morgan is about as useful as an ash tray on a motor cycle, other than for bragging rights. I have a Bose sound system in my tin top, or so it tells me via the name printed on the speakers, though in truth I rarely if ever have it on while enjoying a countryside drive, much preferring to listen to the sound symposer which transmits induction noised into the cabin.

I guess with my primary interests being mechanical I like to listen to the machine operating, my old +8 minus it`s rearmost silencers rumbles along quietly and roars like a bull if I stamp on the loud pedal, which for me is perfect for enjoyment of my Morgan, which also has radio fitted and which I imagine is inaudible while in motion, but it does work..I have used it while in the garage. Attempts at general conversaion in a trad or any real sporting machine seem best avoided if not to result in a possible sore throat..?

I suspect if one lived in a location where sitting in lines of traffic was almost a way of life, then in car audio would perhaps be worthwhile option.

I have to admit the one sound I miss is the sound of silence given I spent way too many decades in close proximity to aircraft, even at the edge of the CGA when Concorde was landing on one occasion, thus tinnitus has been a constant companion for about 9 years or so. There was a time when I was marginally into hi-fi the only remnants of which survive are my Linn stone speakers.

Jeez, seems these days I am happy enough to listen to music via my lap-top... Philistine or what..??? blush

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... ah, Concorde: I used to lecture regularly in Teddington, and had to stop for a 15-20 seconds just after 11am as Concorde flew over: nobody minded, it was a moment of pride. I once managed to be at the right/wrong spot on the M25 as she took off. These days there would be warnings on the overhead gantries!

... tinnitus. My constant companion for over a decade. I can manage & reduce it. After a lot of experimentation, a combination of a tuned sound played by hearing aids or headphones - audiocardio - and at night https://www.flareaudio.com/products/calmer-night do reduce my tinnitus: they seem to work for some people.

& as for audio in my Aero - yes, with the hardtop on: I have Dynamat sound deadening in the footwell floors which does reduce the roadnoise from that direction. Even with sidepipes, at 70 on the motorway the standard amp & speakers can make themselves heard. Not sure I've ever bothered in the softtop or roof off though.

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Re: Sennheiser Audio [Re: Heinz] #765230
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Originally Posted by Heinz
When I fully enjoy Hard Bop or Steely Dan on my Tannoy Canterbury at home... so my noise management is named Diana🙄 And it turns on very reliably.


Another Steely Dan fan here.... smile Now played through recently purchased KEF LS60's.

Like many on here, I suffer from tinnitus too - I used to have a recording studio (where Sennheiser was the only headphone choice) and that's what's caused it.

I can't say I am too bothered about audio reproduction in my Morgan - I suspect it would be difficult to achieve high fidelity and not worth the effort.


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Re: Sennheiser Audio [Re: Alistair] #765232
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Mild titatus, hearing aids and a Caroline who still complains about volume levels!

My hearing aids have a bluetooth capability, so in the Morgan I use the iPhone to stream music that is played through the hearing aids: It works well! I wouldn't call it HiFi, but it isn't at all bad.


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Ahh Concorde... I was fortunate enough to wander all over and under it even on to the flight deck and chatted to the pilot and crew who I thought were great ambassadors bot both BA and the UK.

Tinnitus is considered no big deal for me personally as it disappears as the sounds around me rise such as listening to TV etc.etc.etc. thus I have no complaints having worked around in all sorts of really noisy environments from age 15. I have no idea quite how I managed to avoid Tinnitus till into my mid sixties.

As for headphones or loud music while out on the road.... I am not a fan, My cousin a keen cycle to work type while listening to her Walkman through headphones was killed by a truck who thought sounding his horn was enough to avoid contact..

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I flew Concorde once on air miles to JFK. A wonderful experience


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Re: Sennheiser Audio [Re: Alistair] #765271
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I’m curious to hear how well the actuators behind the dashboard improve the sound, and if Morgan are really sure this system is not going to shake stuff loose! For an extra £3k, you don’t want to be introducing even more problems….

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I’d rather fill the holes with more storage and listen to the engine sound.


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In the arp4 the sound system was already with 4 loudspeakers and a subwoofer.
I never used it as the sound of the exhaust and from the trottle bodies was so loud.

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Originally Posted by p8mog
I’d rather fill the holes with more storage and listen to the engine sound.

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Originally Posted by Neilda
Originally Posted by Heinz
When I fully enjoy Hard Bop or Steely Dan on my Tannoy Canterbury at home... so my noise management is named Diana🙄 And it turns on very reliably.


Another Steely Dan fan here.... smile Now played through recently purchased KEF LS60's.

Like many on here, I suffer from tinnitus too - I used to have a recording studio (where Sennheiser was the only headphone choice) and that's what's caused it.

I can't say I am too bothered about audio reproduction in my Morgan - I suspect it would be difficult to achieve high fidelity and not worth the effort.


Even if this is a detour of the topic, for those who like Steely Dan this documentary below linked is a real treasure, for those who don't know it yet, the making of the album "Aja".
For those who don't know Steely Dan, Donald Fagen and Walter Becker, they were absolute perfectionists, but for whom musicality was the most important goal. It was "normal" that for a piece 8 guitarists had to dance to deliver a 20 second solo. And these were not just any guitarists, but the cream of their time, people like Larry Carlton etc. I think the video must have be done in the early 2000 or late 90s.

https://youtu.be/SPy4AL_vTUk


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