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Under-body Rust protection
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19/03/23 12:11 PM
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Hello TMers
Thinking of putting a protection under the MOG. In the past i have used Waxoil. The only problem with that is that everything gets covered in black oil. I have seen a product called Lanoguard on-line. Has anyone used this? I suppose the question is what other rust protection do TMers use?
Navy Dave 1976 Morgan 4/4
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Re: Under-body Rust protection
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19/03/23 12:32 PM
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I use both the clear(ish) plain waxoil and black paint mixed with waxoil, both in aerosols. I have to agree the latter leaves a clarty mess but prefer that given it's creeping/self healing properties to rust. It's particularly useful where Morgan chassis design has overlapping sheet metal joints allowing untold opportunity for water retention followed by rust.
Richard
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Re: Under-body Rust protection
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Waxoyl but the clear one. My car was undersealed by the PO.
JohnV6 2014 Brooklands Edition Roadster "Brookland's Belle" #5 of 50
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Re: Under-body Rust protection
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Richard, are you saying that the black has more resistance due to creeping and self healing? I've only used clear(ish), is it worth changing? Nick
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Re: Under-body Rust protection
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19/03/23 01:45 PM
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Hello TMers
Thinking of putting a protection under the MOG. In the past i have used Waxoil. The only problem with that is that everything gets covered in black oil. I have seen a product called Lanoguard on-line. Has anyone used this? I suppose the question is what other rust protection do TMers use?
Allon White are now offering Lanoguard as a treatment so one assumes it has some good qualities. I've painted the majority of my chassis with POR15
1972 4/4 4 seater - 3G Morganeer 1981 MGB GT Too many ratty motorbikes
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Re: Under-body Rust protection
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19/03/23 02:49 PM
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Richard, are you saying that the black has more resistance due to creeping and self healing? I've only used clear(ish), is it worth changing? Nick Not really Nick, I would say they are equally good for rust prevention coming from same manufacturer. One is normal waxoyl and the black the same but with paint. It's the waxoyl part that creeps. As the chassis is undersealed in black then the latter makes sense to me. Beware getting it on your hands though it sticks like sh*t to a blanket 
Richard
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Re: Under-body Rust protection
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19/03/23 03:07 PM
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The black I suspect is bitumen or a heavy oil distilate
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Re: Under-body Rust protection
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19/03/23 05:22 PM
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I've used Lanoguard on the Morris and I'm impressed. Its very easy to apply and creeps into gaps and crevices very well Once its gone off water just runs off the surface. The only downside is the small is a bit 'farmyard' so I put the Morris in the lockup for a week.
I'd recommend it together with disposable overalls and gloves.
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Re: Under-body Rust protection
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19/03/23 05:36 PM
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This is the best stuff I have ever used - Bilt Hamber. I use UB on outer panels, UC (which is softer) inside things like bumpers, and for temporarily coating things over winter, and Dynax S50 inside cavities. Much easier to apply than Waxoyl. I also use Ferrosol rather than WD40 or similar - it can also be used as a pre-treatment before the underbody coatings, and helps it penetrate into seams etc. Their waxes, polishes, clays etc etc are all also excellent. I previously used Meguiars and similar, but tried their Auto Balm on a slightly faded red car and the results were really impressive. No connection with the company other than a satisfied customer for over 10 years. https://bilthamber.com/product-category/anti-corrosion/
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Re: Under-body Rust protection
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19/03/23 05:45 PM
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I ve just done my daughters Midget, my +4 and my scooters with Lanoguard, really easy to apply and never sets hard., great value and no waste.
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Re: Under-body Rust protection
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19/03/23 07:27 PM
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yep, I've used it and can recommend it apart from the smell!
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Re: Under-body Rust protection
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This is the best stuff I have ever used - Bilt Hamber. / Another very satisfied Bilt Hamber user. Dynax S50 is easy to apply and does the job.
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Re: Under-body Rust protection
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20/03/23 08:48 AM
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I wonder what the solvent is for this sheep based stuff ? at least with Waxoil you can de-grease and clean parts if needed for repair / inspection I suspect water as an emulsion. Reading their stuf it seems hot water removes it as the fat (lanolin) liquifies.
JohnV6 2014 Brooklands Edition Roadster "Brookland's Belle" #5 of 50
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Re: Under-body Rust protection
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20/03/23 09:45 AM
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I've used the Bilt Hamber Deox-C several times for cleaning bike fuel tanks and it does a fabulous job.
1972 4/4 4 seater - 3G Morganeer 1981 MGB GT Too many ratty motorbikes
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Re: Under-body Rust protection
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20/03/23 11:14 AM
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I use Bilt Humber. They do a good range of products. Any overspray of the underseal etc can be cleaned off with white spirit. It does not harden and chip so has a sort of self healing property.
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Re: Under-body Rust protection
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20/03/23 12:53 PM
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Will use it.....anything to help struggling sheep farmers is a plus in my book.
Arwyn 
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Re: Under-body Rust protection
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20/03/23 02:29 PM
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The black I suspect is bitumen or a heavy oil distilate They were normally based on a wax oxidate John, but I have been out of the chemical industry for a long time and technology marches on. Lanoguard sounds like it is based on lanolin , which is the oil derived from sheeps wool during the washing process.
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Re: Under-body Rust protection
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20/03/23 05:44 PM
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Yes lanolin & I'm guessing they emusify it like cooking marg so it sets up a bit as the water evaporates. Just like the camping marg we made in Kenya though with nicer fat in the kenyan case.
JohnV6 2014 Brooklands Edition Roadster "Brookland's Belle" #5 of 50
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Re: Under-body Rust protection
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20/03/23 10:15 PM
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I guess the way ahead is Lanoguard, it British and good for Farmers!
As has been stated the reviews online are very positive.
Navy Dave 1976 Morgan 4/4
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