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#78454 - 09/01/12 08:11 AM Re: Changing Classes and Engine along with it!!!! [Re: cerealsurfer]
A11OGE Offline
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Registered: 14/05/07
Posts: 2415
Loc: Reading
Originally Posted By: cerealsurfer
Originally Posted By: A11OGE
Why did you choose the Zetec E, and not the Mazda VVT 2.0 lt. as in the new +4 SS. Was it because of the easier fit to gearbox etc?

Broadly yes... the Mazda VVT is a more expensive unit new or used. It also requires a more expensive ECU (to control the VVT), alternative flywheel and bellhousing (as it does not mate to a standard Ford bolt pattern). It also has a reversed orientation with intake on the RHS and the Exhaust on the LHS as you face the front of the car.

This would mean modifying the bay pannels and fabricating a new exhaust whereas I'm aiming to use as much off the shelf as possible. Remember I already have the intake holes on the car.

I also wanted to keep the car looking reasonably period. The Duratec would stick out and there is no parts to make it BDA-a-like.

The latest Morgans run the Mazda/Ford Duratec derivative and have done for a while... it would be simpler to purchase a new car. I also think the cost of engine only upgrade would begin to overlap in the "buy a new car" terrarory.

Think of this as an easy and cost effective upgrade for any older 4/4.


Cheers - Hope to catch up with you and Team Miller at a few more events this year.
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#78461 - 09/01/12 09:17 AM Re: Changing Classes and Engine along with it!!!! [Re: cerealsurfer]
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Registered: 03/11/06
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Loc: Royal Unstone Green
Yep: first pic is a taster day, that's Emily, my baby daughter, who had a great day there. Since then, she's done an autosolo and a CT. No sprinting though.
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#78463 - 09/01/12 09:26 AM Re: Changing Classes and Engine along with it!!!! [Re: inkyfingers]
Jays Offline
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Registered: 08/02/11
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Loc: worcestershire UK
Really fascinating update Cerealsurfer......keep the details coming AND some photos too!!
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#80289 - 29/01/12 12:14 PM Re: Changing Classes and Engine along with it!!!! [Re: Jays]
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Registered: 09/10/06
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UPDATE 1

Well it's been a couple of weeks now I thought I'd let you all know how things are coming along. TBH it's mostly been a lot of planning and phone calls.

Main engine

2 weekends ago we dropped our donor 2.0 Blacktop Zetec E engine upto our engine builder. A large package of parts arrived from Raceline just in time to take some of the key components, Alu Sump etc. up with the engine.

Since then we've been in regular contact sorting out the Clutch/Fly combo and choosing to to get the Cylinder Head soda blasted and 4mm ball bath polished.

The Water Rail from Raceline whilst Alu looked a quality component the finish was "cast" style and whilst neat it's possibly not in keeping with the BDA cover or how I want the engine to be finished aesthetically. So we kept hold of this and popped it over to Premier Plating a neighbouring company. They buffed the surface on their industrial wheels to give a really shiny finish.



Unfortunately their smallest wheel is not quite small enough to get into the corners, so out came the small polishing and porting kit to get it really shiny all around. You can see the difference where the lips and tight corners are.



We'll now ship this back to the engine builder for incorporation into his workflow.

Next up Tyres
Last year we saw G-D-S test a Yokohama road tyre for the factory on the track. Toyo's T1R's have dominated the scene for a while as the size of 185/55/15 is pretty hard to get and the performance price point makes them ideal. A couple of years ago Yokohama launched a tyre called the Advan AD08, it's lineage sits on the 1B side of the Yokohama product line but it'a a 1A tyre. To give you an idea the AD08's have a wear rating of 180 Vs. 280 for the Toyo's. The main complaint for the Toyo's is also the flexibility of the side-wall which allows a lot of lateral movement when pushing them. This year Yokohama introduced a 185/55/15 and a 205/50/15 into their range which has attracted me to take a look. To get an independent view I nipped along to Adam's and Page the UK's largest Yokohama Motorsport dealer who is also a Toyo leading agent for a discussion with him (handily he is also just round the corner from us). We whipped a couple of tyres off the shelf and compared to our current wheel tyre set-up. I'm looking for a wider tyre for the rear to help control some of the power we're going to have available. In the end, we ordered a test set to trial how they fit onto the car, after all we've not tried a 205/50/15 on the rear and we have to be careful on the fronts as any wider tyre (even in moulding tolerance) could potentially interfere with the top end of the sliding pillar spring.

To give you a comparison here is the difference on the rears.



Having test fit both a front and a rear, I'm happy to report they both fit fine and I'm looking forward to measuring on the telemetry system the increase in lateral G that this set-up allows.

Dash
The next activity we have to get sorted is our dash... the current set-up is partially not currently working (spedo) and we've been running on a faulty rev-counter which wanders badly. In order to integrate the Omex 200 ECU and the Race Technology DL1 I already have I've decided to upgrade the Dash 3 we have to a RT Dash 2 (they also handily offer an upgrade scheme to control costs). It's a full dash with indicator, headlight, parking brake etc. it's indglo, completely programmable and a 3 way serial is available for seamless integration. It also meets the MOT and RTA requirements so can completely replace what we have.





The current dash will be taken out this week and a replacement template will be cut from Alu sheet. A new layout will be designed next weekend and we've decided to cover it in Carbon Vinyl to keep things simple.



Other things that have now been sorted:

Availability of LSD, Race Fuel Tank, Anti-tramp bars and the supply of a side exit exhaust (and ongoing supply for 2.0 Zetec E conversions made to template) - watch this space.

That's all for now folks... more work and pictures soon!!!

Cereal

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#80296 - 29/01/12 01:07 PM Re: Changing Classes and Engine along with it!!!! [Re: cerealsurfer]
Wirewheel Offline
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Registered: 22/07/11
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Loc: South Warwickshire
Cereal, I did enjoy reading your update. Thanks
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#80299 - 29/01/12 01:41 PM Re: Changing Classes and Engine along with it!!!! [Re: Wirewheel]
Jays Offline
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Registered: 08/02/11
Posts: 3340
Loc: worcestershire UK
Thanks for the pictures Cereal and the update. Look forward to more soon!
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#80309 - 29/01/12 04:26 PM Re: Changing Classes and Engine along with it!!!! [Re: Jays]
SpeedMog Offline
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Registered: 02/09/06
Posts: 1694
Loc: Northwich, Cheshire
Where are you going to fit the KERS and the DRS??

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#80330 - 29/01/12 07:08 PM Re: Changing Classes and Engine along with it!!!! [Re: SpeedMog]
cerealsurfer Offline
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Registered: 09/10/06
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Originally Posted By: SpeedMog
Where are you going to fit the KERS and the DRS??

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KERS...DRS.....LOL

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#80351 - 30/01/12 06:11 AM Re: Changing Classes and Engine along with it!!!! [Re: SpeedMog]
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Registered: 03/09/11
Posts: 2079
Loc: Mandello del Lario, Lake Como,...
Originally Posted By: SpeedMog
Where are you going to fit the KERS and the DRS??

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Given all that bright work there will be plenty of OOOs and AHs.

Seriously though it looks like it is going to be a show car as well as a race car. Stunning! I hope to see it in the metal one day.
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#80744 - 03/02/12 11:16 AM Re: Changing Classes and Engine along with it!!!! [Re: Gambalunga]
Jim Mountain Offline
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Registered: 24/03/08
Posts: 285
Loc: Chesham Bucks
Give Billy Bellinger a call ref your LSD (JB Sports Engineering) email me if you want his number.

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