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#85150 - 13/03/12 11:26 AM Re: GENEVA MOTOR SHOW [Re: Aeroman]
Budster Offline
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Registered: 07/08/11
Posts: 1459
Loc: Devon
Originally Posted By: Aeroman
Originally Posted By: Graham, G4FUJ
Probably not - guess all you small-holding peeps are going to be buying Jap utes (like that one hanging on the TG wall) in the future...

I'm afraid that's what's already happened in Africa guys, the Defender has been too expensive and too unreliable for too long. It seems that Toyota rules in the rest of the world, LR vehicles are regarded as urban tools and this Defender replacement confirms that this is the market that they are targeting too. smile

(Owner - 1996 Toyota Landcruiser Amazon )


I spent a big chunk of 1979 to 1988 travelling the Far East and Pacific for LR. Even then the Japanese were wiping LR out of those markets. Two things; price and reliability. But Range Rovers sold on status. . .things don't change.

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#85152 - 13/03/12 11:45 AM Re: GENEVA MOTOR SHOW [Re: Aeroman]
Graham, G4FUJ Offline
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Registered: 03/07/07
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Loc: Cheltenham, GLos. UK
Thanks Brian.

The rugged simplicity went out of Defenders a long time ago. Brazilian built 300 Tdi engines were used in markets where the Td5 emission levels were not required. Imagine trying to get an ECU repaired out in the wilds - where all the old one would require is a hammer, some spanners and a bent bit of wire / gaffer tape to hold things together until a mechanic could be reached.

My first visit to Oz in 1980 I managed to get up country a bit from Sydney, to visit relatives. My cousin in Coffs Harbour owned a vehicle dealership - Mercedes and Toyota - his own cars were a Land Cruiser and an FJ40 tray back for a workhorse. He also sold HGVs - Mercedes and Mack. He didn't have a lot of time for LR.

With the amount of electronics on a modern Toyota I'm not sure I'd want to go near one.

Tim, when all is said and done, my old 1990 200Tdi 90, with it's rebuild, is going to outlast me and probably the supply of diesel!

Cheers,
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Graham (G4FUJ)

B3808 RTA 51R '76 4/4 Ivory 2 seater
'01 Freelander TD4; '90 Defender 90 SW

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#85154 - 13/03/12 11:56 AM Re: GENEVA MOTOR SHOW [Re: Graham, G4FUJ]
Hamwich Offline
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Registered: 28/04/08
Posts: 204
Loc: Gloucestershire, UK
Fortunately for me I have no intention of going out in the wilds with my Td5. Nowhere in Western Europe is more than a phonecall and an overnight delivery away from spares!

I remember when Td5s first came out, there were widespread predictions of doom and disaster with people saying the electronics would fail and leave people stranded. As far as I'm aware it just hasn't happened, though.

We had a 1990 200 Tdi for 10 years before we got out Td5. It was fine, but I wouldn't willingly go back to one, unless it had been pretty comprehensively restored.

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#85198 - 13/03/12 08:09 PM Re: GENEVA MOTOR SHOW [Re: Hamwich]
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Registered: 03/02/12
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posted on the Morgan website (and facebook) today, along with some nice photography:

http://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/mmc/newspages/geneva_2012_article_jw.html

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Morgan at the Geneva Motor Show 2012.

Every year Morgan Motor Company exhibits at the world famous Geneva Palexepo for the annual ‘Salon international de l’auto.’ With hundreds of thousands of guests each year, the world famous motorshow is the biggest international auto show of the year in terms of vehicle debuts. These include production cars, upcoming models or outrageous radical concept vehicles.

The Geneva Motorshow 2012 is the Morgan’s first major event of the year and the obvious choice of venue to launch the exciting new cars that will join the rapidly growing existing range. During an official public unveiling on 07/03/2012 Morgan unveiled the; the Aero Coupe, Plus 8, the new 3.7l Roadster and the fully electric Plus E.

These new cars were displayed alongside two production Morgan 3 Wheelers and a stunning 4/4 75th anniversary car. Now with three clear platforms within the Morgan family; The Classic Morgan, 3 Wheeler and the Aero range boasting new brand visual themes such as ‘sixties excitement’, ‘raw escapism’ and ‘lightweight luxury’, the Morgan stand was more colourful and more refined than ever.

An enthusiastic speech from company CEO Charles Morgan kick started proceedings. This was received by a large gathering of the world’s motoring and lifestyle press and media. This outlined the radical new pursuits the company is undertaking this year as well as describing the impact the new production cars will have upon the range. The attendance of Morgan at the 2012 Le Mans events was news well received.

This year’s show has proven to be a very responsive and vibrant one for Morgan this year already; arguably due to the variety on display at the stand. Opinions on the ‘show stealers’ are mixed depending on who you converse with. Some say that ‘to see the production 3 Wheelers in the flesh looking even more impressive than they do in the press and at the original launch is very exciting.’ They are no doubt one of the most revolutionary and unique machines on display. Others are thrilled by the introduction of the aluminium chassis and return of the V8 within the Classic range with the critically acclaimed and mighty Plus 8. For others, the grace and simplicity of the dramatic new fixed head Aero Coupe stole show. However, there is no ignoring the impact the fully electric Plus E concept has had on the motoring press world already.

The show continues until the 18th march with a team of Morgan’s designers, directors, engineers and sales staff on hand at all times to answer any questions you may have. Morgan would like to thank everyone involved so far and welcome everyone to join us in what promises to be a very exciting 2012.

For more information about any of the cars on display please visit the appropriate vehicle pages at www.morgan-motor.co.uk or contact nick.baker@morgan-motor.co.uk
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#85200 - 13/03/12 08:12 PM Re: GENEVA MOTOR SHOW [Re: Mi3Wheeler]
Aeroman Offline
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Love the overhead photos from the lighting galleries! thumbs

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