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#87331 - 05/04/12 08:28 PM
Re: 4/4 King PIns
[Re: Vancouver]
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Registered: 11/05/09
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I bought the car in November 2011 and looking at the Morgan Motor Co Ltd Invoice dated January 2011 the car had done approx 14000 miles in that time? Since that time I have added only about 100 miles __________ Jack as far as I know between me selling and you acquiring WX09 was used daily in all weather for commuting from Brum to Malvern
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#87347 - 05/04/12 09:47 PM
Re: 4/4 King PIns
[Re: Hamwich]
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Registered: 02/10/11
Posts: 537
Loc: Snorbans, UK
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Blimey, how would you do that? By driving them on a beach with no grease at all in?
Got it in one. I don't think the garage that replaced them greased enough and the owner didn't grease at all. Not saying who or where as I know he'd be embarrassed.
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#87351 - 05/04/12 10:02 PM
Re: 4/4 King PIns
[Re: Martyn Culling]
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Registered: 08/02/11
Posts: 3340
Loc: worcestershire UK
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It might just be down to an MOT tester who is not use to Morgans!
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2010 4/4 "Super Sport "
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#87371 - 06/04/12 08:09 AM
Re: 4/4 King PIns
[Re: Jays]
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Talk Morgan Regular
Registered: 02/10/11
Posts: 537
Loc: Snorbans, UK
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Jays - no it wasn't an MOT inspector, I found the play.
The owner complained of slight wheel wobble but not really at the speeds that characterise the normal effect. I jacked the car up and felt the play - by hand, no levers etc used.
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#87382 - 06/04/12 09:29 AM
Re: 4/4 King PIns
[Re: Martyn Culling]
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Just Getting Started
Registered: 21/11/11
Posts: 34
Loc: Gloucestershire
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#87408 - 06/04/12 02:13 PM
Re: 4/4 King PIns
[Re: Vancouver]
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Talk Morgan Regular
Registered: 02/10/11
Posts: 537
Loc: Snorbans, UK
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Ok, to feel play in a sliding pillar without using levers.
Jack car up at front. Either wedge a stick to hold the brakes on or employ an assistant. This removes the small amount of play a wheel bearing should give. Very easy to think from the play the sliding pillar is worn but in actuality, it's the bearing.
Then, grasp the front roadwheel with both hands at 11 to 5, apply a modest amount of lifting force that would lift the roadwheel, the bearing and pillar. You won't see any movement but it is important to lift. Then while doing this, try and rock the wheel. Repeat at 5 past 7. If there is play, you will feel it. Then repeat for the other side.
Pre 59 (or is it 60?) sliding pillars are allowed some movement for the MOT but later cars, none. Quite ridiculous as any sliding pillar will have some play if it is to go up and down. That said, I've never had a problem as most MOT inspectors have no idea how to look for play.
If you think you have too much wheelbearing movement. With car jacked down, undo cover, jack back up, withdraw splitpin, tighten wheel nut until a modicum of drag in rotation is felt. I do this by feel but my guess is no more than 35 foot pounds, if that (I don't do Nm on Morgans). Then undo until first hole and castellation on nut align. If one is nearly aligned without loosening, go for the next one. Slip a new splitpin in, and check wheel is free to rotate and the tiniest amount of play can be felt. If all is well, bend splitpin and replace cover. You can often reuse a splitpin but all the books say "never" and splitpins are very cheap.
An old school mechanic should be familiar with this proceedure, Vauxhall Chevettes, RWD Ford Escorts are like this but no idea if current BMWs and Mercs have this sort of front wheel bearing.
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#87416 - 06/04/12 03:50 PM
Re: 4/4 King PIns
[Re: Martyn Culling]
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L - Learner Plates On
Registered: 28/04/08
Posts: 204
Loc: Gloucestershire, UK
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If the car did 14,000 miles in little more than 9 months for daily commuting, then I can easily believe that it maybe didn't get enough attention at the front to prevent premature wear on the kingpins. 9 months = 36 weeks x 5 days = 180 days, so the mileage was getting on for 40 miles each way, or a bit less if the period it was used for was longer.
So really the suspension should have been inspected and greased probably every couple of weeks, which is a pretty exacting schedule to maintain?
So yes, hardly surprising the kingpins are worn. As I said, fit hardchrome pins, rebound spring gaiters, make sure you grease every 1,000 miles and you'll not have to worry ever again.
Edited by Hamwich (06/04/12 03:50 PM)
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#88997 - 19/04/12 03:39 PM
Re: 4/4 King PIns
[Re: Hamwich]
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Just Getting Started
Registered: 21/11/11
Posts: 34
Loc: Gloucestershire
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Good News, an independent assessor has agreed that the kingpins both need replacing and my local Morgan Dealer is organising the work F O C.
_____________ Jack
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