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#88306 - 13/04/12 07:26 PM
Re: The Decline of the Trad !!!
[Re: SpeedMog]
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Registered: 03/09/11
Posts: 2065
Loc: Mandello del Lario, Lake Como,...
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How do you do research when you have to learn it from someone else? Oxford dictionary definition of research is "the systematic investigation into and study of materials and sources in order to establish facts and reach new conclusions". Where in that does it say research has to be done by one individual? Ever heard of research partnerships?? Please do not selectively quote me.. I said Magnesium and Carbon Fibre..... Bravo!!!!!!
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#88310 - 13/04/12 07:50 PM
Re: The Decline of the Trad !!!
[Re: Hamwich]
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Talk Morgan Regular
Registered: 25/03/11
Posts: 521
Loc: Sweden
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When you take ideas from just one source and use them for your own purposes, it's called plagiarism and is generally frowned upon. Well that would be sad news...and the only cars ever built would be Mercedeses (many suggests that Karl Benz created the first true automobile in 1885/1886, patent DRP No. 37435). Steal with pride - glorious future 
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#88329 - 13/04/12 11:32 PM
Re: The Decline of the Trad !!!
[Re: Gambalunga]
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Lord Trois-Roues
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Registered: 01/09/06
Posts: 5739
Loc: In transit...
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How do you do research when you have to learn it from someone else? Oxford dictionary definition of research is "the systematic investigation into and study of materials and sources in order to establish facts and reach new conclusions". Where in that does it say research has to be done by one individual? Ever heard of research partnerships?? Please do not selectively quote me.. I said Magnesium and Carbon Fibre..... Bravo!!!!!! Ditto Phil! 
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#88330 - 14/04/12 12:42 AM
Re: The Decline of the Trad !!!
[Re: Aeroman]
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Learner Plates Off!
Registered: 29/09/07
Posts: 482
Loc: Jersey, Channel Islands
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For me, at the moment, the Aerotrad concept does not work a bit to faux, butt then my views may change in time- a dozenyears ago I simply did not get Morgans. The big issue I see with a new chassis for a trad is cost. I seem to recall reading somwhere that the Aero chassis is 20 times more expensive than the trad chassis.
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#88343 - 14/04/12 07:49 AM
Re: The Decline of the Trad !!!
[Re: Hamwich]
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Salty Sea Dog
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Registered: 03/07/07
Posts: 7162
Loc: Cheltenham, GLos. UK
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When you take ideas from just one source and use them for your own purposes, it's called plagiarism and is generally frowned upon.
Many years ago, in a letter from a French exchange student, he described a friend's father as a plagiarist. The fellow actually owned the rights to a section of beach at Ste Maxime, where he could charge for deck chairs etc. Ho hum! 
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#88351 - 14/04/12 08:43 AM
Re: The Decline of the Trad !!!
[Re: Hamwich]
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Talk Morgan Enthusiast
Registered: 02/09/06
Posts: 1690
Loc: Northwich, Cheshire
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When you take ideas from just one source and use them for your own purposes, it's called plagiarism and is generally frowned upon.
When, however, you take ideas from multiple sources and use them for your own purposes, it's called Research, and is generally applauded :-) Dictionary definition again: "an act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author's work as one's own, as by not crediting the original author" How the heck are Morgan doing any of that when they are clearly partners with Oak and indeed sponsors!!!  If you want to continue to bash Morgan then you need to try harder... 
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#88353 - 14/04/12 09:23 AM
Re: The Decline of the Trad !!!
[Re: SpeedMog]
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Just Getting Started
Registered: 14/12/07
Posts: 61
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When you take ideas from just one source and use them for your own purposes, it's called plagiarism and is generally frowned upon.
When, however, you take ideas from multiple sources and use them for your own purposes, it's called Research, and is generally applauded :-) How the heck are Morgan doing any of that when they are clearly partners with Oak and indeed sponsors!!! If you want to continue to bash Morgan then you need to try harder... I think Hamwich's words were said in jest as evidenced by the smilie. I certainly didn't read it as a criticism of MMC.
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#88360 - 14/04/12 11:25 AM
Re: The Decline of the Trad !!!
[Re: Plus4]
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Talk Morgan Enthusiast
Registered: 02/09/06
Posts: 1690
Loc: Northwich, Cheshire
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I think Hamwich's words were said in jest as evidenced by the smilie. I certainly didn't read it as a criticism of MMC. So were mine hence the....
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#88398 - 14/04/12 05:39 PM
Re: The Decline of the Trad !!!
[Re: Plus4]
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L - Learner Plates On
Registered: 28/04/08
Posts: 204
Loc: Gloucestershire, UK
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I think Hamwich's words were said in jest as evidenced by the smilie. I certainly didn't read it as a criticism of MMC.
Indeed they were not, I was simply reiterating a (very) old joke. The essential point is that everybody learns from everybody else, which is where progress comes from. Far from trying to criticise MMC, I am enormously supportive of what they are doing currently. If the tie-up with Oak racing gets MMC access to advanced carbon fibre technology, then absolutely great. I know there are some die-hard Morgan traditionalists who would prefer that MMC only ever build trad cars with sliding axle suspension, but I'm not one of them! :-) :-)
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