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#97368 - 05/07/12 08:40 AM Re: Wind Farms [Re: Pete.G]
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No nukes thanks. scared

When they can be 100% safe, and they know what to do with the waste, and they know how to decommission the old reactors, then I might reconsider my opinion. Until then there is a lot more that can be done with "green" power.

I agree wind farms are not the most beautiful addition to the landscape and unfortunately the best positions for them are in the most scenic places.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/22/first-molten-salt-solar-power
Enel in Italy is working on a high temperature solar plant that stores heat in liquid salt. From what I have seen it looks to be a promising idea for large scale commercial plants as it can generate power from stored heat when there is no sunlight.


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#97372 - 05/07/12 10:46 AM Re: Wind Farms [Re: Gambalunga]
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All this discussion of Wind Tide and Solar etc..is fine and dandy, but they are not going to generate enough power for current demand, here in the UK, without another 'substantial source', and all this new push for electric vehicles is going to make demand for electricity go exponential in the comming years.

We just can't dismiss Nuclear so easily in favour of renewables.

My thoughts about developing Nuclear technology are, that basically, were are doomed if we do and doomed if we don't.
..and I reckon that's why there is not enough discussion about it in the media...it's a very difficult subject and it frightens off politicians.
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#97376 - 05/07/12 11:35 AM Re: Wind Farms [Re: NorthernMogman]
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Nuclear is without doubt the way to go. I agree demand is going to go up rather than down, we are more dependent on all our electric devices from phones to freezers and as NorthernMogman says electric cars coming on stream

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There are those who say they are unsafe and those who say they are safe
Article on safety
That leaves us with an energy gap. (If a contract was signed today to build a new nuclear powerstation(s) it would be many years before they are on-stream )

We need to find a way of filling the gap.

Some can come from waste products
waste to electricity
The rest I guess wave – seems sensible but technology still developing
Solar – good but takes a lot of square meters
Wind Farms – not very efficient and unsightly. Some units spectacularly failed in the high winds early this year.

Not sure what the answer is but growing opposition in Devon to wind farms
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#97382 - 05/07/12 12:56 PM Re: Wind Farms [Re: Pete.G]
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PeteG,
I don't want to sound defeatist, but I have seen many proposed Windfarms in highly sensitive areas here in the UK get the go ahead despite very heated and well informed coupled with very skilled and high profiled resistance to them.
I will be surprised if the one proposed close to you will be any different....that is, unless there is a more productive/lower cost location higher up the target list.
Good luck.
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#97397 - 05/07/12 05:30 PM Re: Wind Farms [Re: NorthernMogman]
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Funny story - Ted Kennedy, senator from Massachusets, brother of JFK, was big on green technologies, until there was a wind farm proposed off the coast of Cape Cod. They could be seen, as no taller than an inch, from their Kennedy compound on the coast. They fought for not installing them and won.

The wind turbines are far more efficient than the solar panels.


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#97401 - 05/07/12 06:51 PM Re: Wind Farms [Re: Vitruvius]
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[quote=Vitruvius]Funny story - Ted Kennedy, senator from Massachusets, brother of JFK, was big on green technologies, until there was a wind farm proposed off the coast of Cape Cod. They could be seen, as no taller than an inch, from their Kennedy compound on the coast. They fought for not installing them and won.
Just like the buffoon that is Donald Trump...

I can't agree about nukes - they are incredibly expensive to build and run - NO-ONE has ever built one without enormous government subsidies, but the pollution they leave lasts for...well, who knows? 1000? 10,000? A million years? A wind farm at least can be removed in weeks and there! You have your scenery back! Lot safer too :-). It's pretty academic which way we go for now, they are all only intermediate solutions until the Next Big Thing comes along, almost certainly it will be geothermal.
up here in the Highlands, we're surrounded by windfarms, I like 'em, and they're easier to get used to than pylons would have been, way back when...
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#97405 - 05/07/12 07:55 PM Re: Wind Farms [Re: Mike Carter]
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#97411 - 05/07/12 09:20 PM Re: Wind Farms [Re: Richard - Aus]
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A wee bit fire is way less damage than a nuke incident...Fukushima, anyone?
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#97412 - 05/07/12 09:28 PM Re: Wind Farms [Re: Mike Carter]
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It was meant as younger in cheek...

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#97416 - 05/07/12 11:11 PM Re: Wind Farms [Re: Richard - Aus]
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Us sailors prefer wind power....
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