Bring A Trailer - Morgans & Interesting vehicles

Thought I should migrate my BaT posts as I have just realised my entries in For Sale & Wanted are in contravention of the rules of that forum (item 7).
It is good to keep in touch with price action in an important secondary market.


I think this will sell very well - A big V8 in the USofA

2002 Morgan Plus 8

(I should state for good order that I have no connection or financial interest in the BaT service)

I should move this one over as well.

1965 Morgan Plus 4

Sold US$33,333.00 - Seems like a good price for what appears to be a great car.

Did not meet reserve - Best Bid US$54,388

Very surprising. The auction commentary indicates there are a few of these on offer but just aren't moving which I find even more surprising.

Lets see how this goes...
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-morgan-plus-4/

Wow 58,000 miles in 55 years. Mine has passed that and some already!

Which would you prefer...?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-volkswagen-beetle-5/ Sold for US$ 30,000
OR
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1983-porsche-911sc-cabriolet-8/ Sold for US$ 32,000

Oz, for me the Porsche please.

Sold US$28,250.00
I think this was a very good purchase price.

Interesting to see how this goes

2017 Morgan 3W - OZ version for sale

I almost fell off the chair then until I realised it was Aus$..

Still almost double what you would pay for a 2nd hand one here!

Sorry to scare you Richard. This is now officially on the market but there are others here in the wings looking to find a new home.

Spot on Waikiore, they are a very expensive discretionary item because of the compliance costs involved.

And next up....
No reserve 2014 M3W

All the upgrades and a bit more. $35,000?

The colour of the Beetle looks like Morgan’s Sports Sand, which I was told is a 1960’s / 70’s VW colour Morgan used ?

US$25,000 with five days to go. The price will go higher.

Yes that's crazy cheap at the moment.

Richard, wait till the last few hours of the auction as I suspect things will change, well at least I think so....

A good one to watch Gary.

US$15,000 .... looks too good to be true.

4 Cylinder · 20,001 miles
The paint is excellent, as well as the interior and mechanicals. Very well maintained 190SL.

What am I missing?

1958 190 Mercedes Benz....

There's something they are not saying in the advert that is crazily cheap for the real deal.

Agree, fantastic looking car but the add carries very little detail or providence.

I see from the spec that the doors and transmission are N/A. Maybe that's it.

On the Block but a slow start...

1958 Plus4

This one is at $56,000 with bidding time left, so if $15,000 buys a good one it would still be a bargain if one shipped it back to the UK.

1958 190 SL

May be you are right M3W55, but if it looks too good to be true.......

I'll put this in the two curious basket

Lets see what RM Sothebys come up with.....

2015 Roadster
1991 Plus 8
2003 Plus 8 - 35th Anniversary

It went for $70,000. Can anyone see what could be wrong with the $15,000 alternative?

Sold @ US$ 39,250.00
Seemed well optioned and with the upgrades....

Still for sale....

Looking at it again, and at the prices being asked for similar 190 SLs, I think the ad has missed a zero. Typical prices for a good example of this vintage have been around €130,000.

Another M3W on the block...
1200 mile 2017 M3W

This time I am going for a minimum of $46,000.

Courageous....

Sold @ US$ 23,000.00....

It went for $43,000 - well below what it would have fetched in the UK.

A disappointing US$ 43,250 indeed.

Seems well optioned and still available...

On the other hand look at this;-

1964 Austin Cooper S

SOLD @ US$ 80,000....

Cheap.....Paul McCartney’s is up for sale at around £180,000 😳

Jays, I guess that's what you pay for providence.
I was surprised at the BaT price tag given that the car did not look in great condition.

Oh well, what do I know....

And here's the result...

All look like good purchase prices particularly the 91 +8

Well if they are good prices then English and NZ prices are low particularly for plus 8's

Yes they are judging the state of the market here.

Interesting offering

1968 Morgan Plus 8

Yes we know this Plus 8 well the builder was a TM member before he passed away.

Tcherek gave us the full story on here a while back - I like the car it's different and finished to a wonderful standard.

http://www.talkmorgan.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/525729/1

So interesting observations in the auction commentary

This is v12 (TM handle) who was the owner of this cars entry on the Morganville Register.
R7662 is a 1972 Model. From the Morgan Register. This is in the public domain.

1972
Plus 8
R 7662
Light Blue
Vincent Burgos
Blackhawk, California, USA

Thought this looked like a fun little car at a good price...

1965 Morris Minor Resto Mod

Interesting they didn't sell it in the end.
Reserve not met on 9/24/18 at $49,999

You beat me to it Richard....

I was surprised it did not sell

Me too Gary I really liked it but can understand why the traditionalist would be wary of it.

A nice car, certainly, but clearly not worth $50k at the moment.

Seems good value

1961 Morgan 4/4 No1

1961 Morgan 4/4 No2

Not quite BAT, but an auction nonetheless

1948 M3W

Good find M3W55

Lets see how this goes

1965 Plus 4

These have been doing very well
1965 Sunbeam Tiger

That Tiger is nice - even better with those dreadful front spots removed it'll be interesting to see what it gets.

US$ 26,000 best bid, reserve not met

A good price it made too at $60,000.

Thanks Richard, forgot to post that one

Virtually unused, this will be interesting
Now appearing on BaT

100 mile 2017 M3W

Next up...

1958 Plus 4

NO sale

USD$18,000 best bid and did not meet reserve

Bid US$ 40,000.00 with a day to go...

I wonder if it was the fitment of a later engine that put them off - the car looks a clean original as far as you can tell.

Still available. May get a chance to move it at the Muster...

Agree Richard. Thought this was a good unit for a resto mod

Bidding stopped at $44,250 - reserve not met. It would have been a good buy at even $5000 more than that.

Lets see how this one goes.....
low mileage 2013 M3W...

I know this is not quite the right place, but isn't €95,000 rather steep for an unrestored Supersports?

1934 Supersports €95,000

It's about three times the market value. The black and white photo came from an entertaining article in the MTWC Bulletin of about 1970 relating to a purported Yorkshire Road Race which was in fact a spoof, but which fooled a lot of people at the time. The article referred to the engine being tuned by Chaffinch Motors of Far Headingley, a firm that I understand was completely made up but which is blindly reproduced in the current advertisement! Such is life.

Tony

I wouldn't go anywhere near that without a real expert alongside me that price is just crazy.
There are some good con artists out there looking for a sucker.

This is exactly the right place M3W55
Interesting little finds like this especially with the history are noteworthy.

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Wow, look at the price...

It will be interesting to see what this one goes for.

Starting to climb now..

Given that it does not have the usual pre-2014 fixes (another c.$9000), they are on the verge of over-bidding.

Just seen that the reserve is $40,000. Far too much.

True..

Hadn't noticed the reserve.. Reserve not met $36,000 last offer.

The seller removed the Reserve at the last minute, but the winning bid of $36,000 was way too high. The buyer must be putting quite a premium on provenance.

I came off line a little quicker than you.
That's too much money considering the engineering voyage he has ahead of him.

Incredible pricing considering what you are up for

I forgot about the additional 5% ($1800) buyer's fee, which one commentator has indicated has been avoided as buyer and seller have dealt outside the BAT auction. When we see future auctions, we need to add that on.

This auction got a little nasty in the end judging by the commentary.
Seems like the seller did not get his reserve so took the US$36,000 to be done with it.

Oh well...

Oh it did get a bit heated I should have hung around a bit longer .

Interesting to note that the last 5 Morgan vehicles offered on this site have failed to meet reserve. Sign of the times perhaps?

1998 ? Plus 8

This one brings some contention over providence as it was built in 2000 but listed as a 1998 apparently to avoid the "Air Bag" compliance issue according to the interesting pre auction commentary - not sure how they got away with that....

It has a clear title so interesting to see how it goes.

And the Plus 8's just keep on coming.....

Morgan 1971 Plus 8

A neat looking unit...

1956 Plus 4

Very surprised this did not sell.

1972 Triumph TR6

Yes that TR6 looked good.

US$ 55,000 with a day to go. Looking good

SOLD, US$77,500.00 - strong effort...

Next up...
1965 Plus 4

That's over twice the price it would have been new ! Very interesting.

SOLD US$65,000.00

Late model Plus 8's are in good demand. This one sold well.

Don't forget the 5% buyer's fee on top of the final auction bid. So the actual cost was over $80,000.

Blimey that's £61,208 phew for a 2000 car.

Base price (USA) for a 1998 Plus 8 was $61,000 USD, if memory serves.

Turned out to be a great investment as well as a lot of fun...

Better be quick for this one....
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1959-j...aign=2018-11-09

Exciting - $147,000 (+$5000 commission). Good restorations with the original colour and transmission go for £150,000, but this one has had a paint change and a different gearbox.

Solid result for a non original...

Reserve Not met, US$ 17,000 best bid

Very surprised this did not sell

Best Bid US$31,965.00

No sale - Did Not meet reserve

This looked like a very nice unit so I'm surprised it did not sell but suspect a deal is not far away.

Another low mileage M3W with some interesting pre auction commentary comes up again.


2013 Morgan 3W

Steering upgrade but nothing else, so allowing for commission I would have thought $30,000 would be fair, but I bet it goes for more than that.

Looks like it has the "New" 2014 chassis and other up grades according to the seller....

Not so sure. Tick for bump steering but when the seller talks of a new post-2014 chassis I wonder if it means the chassis brace (which is not the same as a new chassis) retro-fitted to early examples? And no Centa Drive, steel drive sprocket, or cooling fan. The buyer will probably have a few Dollars to spend notwithstanding that it only has (effectively) delivery mileage on it.

I stand corrected. Having just looked at the selection of early M3Ws for sale on Hemmings, there are several at $40,000 (and quite a bit more); some with all the upgrades; others perhaps not. So let's bet on this one reaching a minimum of $38,000.

$32,250 + 5%. The buyer got a pretty good deal.

The vendor tried very hard to push this one over the sales threshold. It did not meet price expectations but I suspect this is a classic case of knowing what you are buying. Good to see plenty of references to TM for advice and that the new owner is already here.

Love the comment by one experienced owner who's mantra on the Morgan 3 wheeler appears to be;

"Buy one of these.. drive it like you stole it… fix it. Repeat"

I see the seller had advertised it on Craigslist for $34,000, which (incl commission) is what the BAT buyer paid.

I suspect a 34 offer on Craiglist means 34 in my pocket which is not what he got.

Isn't that a bit expensive, or is it justified by the fact that there are hardly any Roadsters in the USA?

http://fantasyjunction.com/cars/2170-Morgan-V6%20Roadster-3%20Liter%20V6%20

Good point Heinz however Plus 8s and Roadsters have been selling well on BaT and are in high demand.

Look forward to seeing this little lady strut her stuff on the cat-walk of the auction market - think she will do very well....
Low milage 2002 Plus 8...

I agree OZ with current plus eight pricing firm everywhere someone should snap it up

Time is almost up and she is finishing strongly...

Well bought at US$66,500.00

38 Miles in 6 Years......
Another M3W on the block

2012 Morgan 3 Wheeler with 38 miles on the clock

Slow and steady bidding with this one. Once again plenty of references to TM for advice on upgrades etc....

With no upgrades, and allowing for commission, this really should not go beyond $30,000. But I suppose if someone badly wants it...

You could be right M3W55.

It will be interesting to see where this goes. No warranty I would assume with plenty of upgrades required.

36 years old and she's still got it....
Hot off the block at BaT

US$52,500 - Sold !

1982 Delorean

My word! How easy is it to get spares for that?

When the Delorean was developed they made enough parts to build 35,000 cars but only sold 9,000.

The remaining parts stock now resides in the store of the Delorean Motor Company in Houston, Texas.

You can still get about 98.5% of all parts required to build a new Delorean with 90% coming from NOS held in Texas and the remainder are remanufactured items in the aftermarket which is very active.

Engines were Volvo, transmission - Peugeot, brakes - Jaguar & Cortina so plenty of supply.

Parts are reasonably priced. Shipping is expensive but prompt with great service provided across Delorean dealers in the US, UK and Europe. Interestingly, DeloreanGo based in the UK is a major supplier of parts which are cheap by comparison because the Pound is so weak and they will ship for free over a set order level.

Take a quick look at the interactive parts identification and order site of the Houston office.....

http://store.delorean.com/t-about.aspx
OR
https://www.deloreango.com/au
from the UK

Thank you. There is so much that one can learn from this site.

With that out of the way, I can spend an exciting evening watching the bidding on the M3W.

Reserve Not Met at $34,100. Not surprising, since I now see it had been on Hemmings at $60,000 (bonkers).

US$34,100 bid but no sale - did not meet reserve

I am a little surprised this did not do better given it is a completely unmolested, un-driven seemingly pristine unit.

Very surprised this did not do better
Best bid only US$36,000......

1971 Jaguar XKE type 2+2

You may have seen that of the last 15 XKE auctions on BAT, only a third have made the reserve.

I did spot that good Sir. Suppose it says something about the state of the car market. That sort of Jaguar offering is a bit of a "Bell Weather" in the collector market.

Here's one for the Christmas stocking
2005 Roadster

Very nice but I could not live with those bumpers they are bl88dy hideous.

Some cracking cars on the block here...

Worldwide Auctioneers

I don't know where to start. The 1962 Alfa Romeo 2000 Spider, the 1925 Bugatti Type 35A Grand Prix or any of the Auburn Boattails......

That Bugatti is stunning.

Earlier this year, I broke down outside a rather lovely manoir in France. While I was waiting for the recovery people, the elderly owner showed me his Type 35 and Type 52 that he had restored himself. For a few minutes, the buggeration of my machine going phut was forgotten while I drooled over those beauties. Sadly, he would not let me have one as a courtesy car for the week.

Not surprised they would not lend you the Bugatti, Oh well

Looking at the auction list again I think the 1936 Duesenberg Model JN LWB Tourster would do the trick...

This could be a good little project

1972 Lotus Europa

US$36,333.00 with two days to go....

Cheap buy at US$ 52,500 I think...

I thought this did very well....

1966 Lotus Cortina

Sold US$15,500

Not a great fan of the style but to a Lotus lover this could be gold!

I have had two lotus cortinas and i noticed that I could not see any strengthening bars in the boot..

David Byrne

Good spot B3MOG. Looking at some of the commentary it seems the sale price may have been toward the cheaper end for that vehicle.

Morgan on BaT sales summary for 2018...

Morgan auction results on BaT

Now this is a very cute car and should do well. Nice restoration.

1954 MG TF...

What a great inexpensive acquisition....

Now one for the rev heads....

Performance +

That's a nice blank sheet!

Sorry BobtheTrain, try this:-

Performance plus

That was worth waiting for!

I thought so - If you like that sort on car...

US$ 43,750.00 what a bargain in for that type of car...

I thought this represented exceptional value

1990 Jaguar XJS Convertible

But looking at the auction history of these cars ALL the prices seem very low.

If you keep up the basic maintenance I'm told these can be great reliable cars.

I like them too OZ, under- rated and mostly unloved in UK. There are several coupes lying around in my area, but they all rot from the bottom up, any I’ve seen are too far gone to be worth the bother.

The convertible is very rare here and doubt there could me many left worldwide, if it’s a good as it looks, it’s a bit of a bargain. Not much servicing done though and 15” wheels look tiny on a car that size.

I thought this was cracking good value but will explain why it did not reach reserve. Looks in great condition with the same engine as the old Morgan Plus8

1993 TVR

ewn, one of our local car club members has a hard top version in the same colour configuration. Looks & drives magnificently and purchased at a good price. Rust and lack of maintenance are the enemy but a good "fine climate" example I think would be a great find.

I suspect there may be an after auction deal to be done here. Still represents value around that price.

That is in stunning condition inside and underneath someone could end up with a very nice car indeed.

p.s. That is one hell of an exhaust manifold arrangement isn't it ?

Thought it was a turbo setup at first glance

Richard, If you like the look of the TVR see what you think of this baby.......

Take a look at the underside detail and what an engine bay!

Gary that is insane at that price what a spectacular car in every way.

That would be a tricky car to import to Oz but at that price you'd have to give it a go....

No Sale - Best Bid US$20,700.00

1977 Lotus Esprit

Judging by the comments and prices from auctions it seems the share market has got every one spooked. Hate to think what Brexit has done to the UK market.

YOU WILL LOVE THIS NO-NONSENSE 101-YEAR-OLD LADY

A Car Salesman's Nightmare...

She won’t buy a new car until she has worn her old one out and it is still in new condition, after all it is only 85 years old (the car that is, oh, the lady... she’s 101!)

This lady’s car is a 1930 Packard. What a pleasant and spry lady she is!

Take note in the video that she lays a shop rag on the running board to step onto when she gets in and out of the car. Then after she is in the car, she leans all the way down to the running-board to get the rag.

She is in great physical and mental shape for her age. The car is not bad either!

Click on the link below to view this beautiful car and listen to this wonderful, seemingly ageless lady:


https://www.youtube.com/embed/qxCpK1W_Gjw?feature=player_embedded

Oh do I love her she is great . Better than I heard a few years ago when a woman walked along the main street in front of us. She came out with " I am getting on I'm 38 . I started to and said to thought she was bragging about her boobs and yes I would love to help her clean her car . But she looks like a lady who would tell you to your face you missed a bit

Wow, another exceptional little car that did not sell - US$ 26,500.00 best bid....

2005 Lotus Elise

Putting it in perspective Richard, that Cobra is just over half the cost of a new Morgan 4/4 in this country....
(ps, landing the car here would incur cost but still a hell of a lot cheaper)

No problem taking a decision on that then Gary.

Fantastic Car and a more fantastic lady, So lovely....

Not sure when you'd use it but looks like fun...
1963 MG MGB Racer

Cracking value at US$12,250.00...

1951 MG TD

As a whole, MG TDs seem to represent cracking value for money these days.

https://journal.classiccars.com/2019/01/...-at-no-reserve/

A sign of the times I suspect......

Solid bidding with time to go...

1966 XKE Jaguar

This little one will do well I think...
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-s...aign=2019-01-14

Not original but good buying at US$59,000.00

Another M3W on the block and judging by the following commentary it’s already caused a stir.

2012 M3W

mr_smee
Now this is a three-wheeler – dangerous as heck and looks like it. No silly references to being “green” and “city-friendly” it’s a crazy bonkers death machine. Having said that, the young woman this was purchased for must be quite a character.

Now that's a lot of car for little money

1992 Jaguar XJS

US$ 15,000 the bid with plenty of time to go....

Interesting to see how this goes....

2005 Morgan Aero

This will be interesting, it' the sister of our beloved S2. Not a lot of them about, even more so in the US!

I know these normally go for big money but no sale at US$ 87,500

In am surprised too - I had expected well over $100,000. Could it have been the colour?

The M3W is at $21,000, which is quite advanced with three days to go.

I agree Alistair. Not sure how many were made but they would be very rare in the USofA

Judging by the auction commentary colour was an issue.

M3W55, lets see where the M3W goes. Promising so far.

Very nice little unit. Worth good money I think

1961 MG MGA

You're correct that there are not a ton of S2's about in the US, but make you into an absolute celebrity wherever you go. There's a lot of Morgan love in the USA.

Nice to hear from you again Mateo. It sounds like you are enjoying it after the teething issues. Care to share your experiences and the reactions of the US to the car?

Owned one of these for years in the same colour but with cream interior. Wish I never sold it.....

This one seems great value for money.

1987 BMW 635

Another strong performer...
1960 Austin-Healey 3000

They continue to pull big money.

That's a lot of cool for the money.

One of these was going to be my next car, when I owned a 528 (pre-injection). Something never realised.

Prices for good examples have climbed recently. Like other sports cars from Mercedes, BMW & Audi at the time they were mechanically bullet proof but prone to plenty of electronic niggles that can be hard and expensive to rectify.

Graham, get in now while you can still find good cars at a reasonable price....

Not many of the 635s left in this country Gary. The smaller engined versions do appear though.

Shame, such a great car. Getting a rust free one (or at least minimal and repairable) is the trick....

Yes. We do see the odd one though:
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1072034
Bit out of budget that!

Wow, that is a hefty price tag....

US$25,000 with just over an hour to go. Lets sit back and watch the action...

RNM at $31,000

US$31,000 best bid - Reserve Not Met....

A classic example of great sports cars of the day but prone to electronic glitches - cheap at US$ 7,800

1999 Mercedes 230 SLK

US$50,000 bid with two days to go...

US$65,000 Bid with less than 12 hours to go, getting interesting.....

Sold @ US $99,000


By way of comparison, a 1964 Lancia Flaminia 3C Tourer in need of a major restoration sold for US$129,999 moments before....

1964 Lancia Flaminia 3C

Just goes to show that quirky interesting cars still attract good money

interesting and special Aeromax here look like really cheap £50 > £80.000

I don't think it's a real Aeromax. It looks like an S1 that has been converted to look like one. In any case, it looks really rough.

I like the Alvis TA21 special in the same auction mind you.

Lovely car.

Plenty of bonnet louvres too !!

That Alvis is nice. I could be tempted by one of those little Austins.
As for the "Aeromax", looking at the photos at first I thought it had been pranged - poor panel fit, sidepipes are not equal, no speedometer poor interior finish on trans tunnel and so on. then I cam to the BMW V10, and laughed.
Some years ago (and I expect he may be along sometime) Cerealsurfer mentioned (here on TM) a V10 Aero that was up for sale - various panels in carbon fibre etc. I suspect this may be the same car, moved on a little further. TBH it looks a bit (?lot) of a mess...

Yes, I rather like the Austin Doctor's Coupé. Ditto the Ford Model A with dickey seat.

Thinking about it, and having another look at the photos, I think you're right about it being the car Cereal Surfer mentioned.

Very odd - 09 reg plate ? Is someone trying to use the ID of a written off Max using the S1 you mention? As you say, a lot of non-factory elements, most odd.

The panel alignment is dire, & the interior oh no !

Jeez, that's a right mess, isn't it?

So apparently nobody know the story of this strange car ?

https://imgur.com/a/az23Lmk

[edit] REGISTER IN 2016 but BUILD in 2009 ??

See this thread.

Beamish Morgan/The Car Barn could tell you more about it as it was in their showroom for several weeks.

I don't think that Brightwells should be calling it an Aeromax.

To be fair, in their description, the clues are there, "Unique one-off Aero 8-based special; 500bhp BMW S85 V10 engine; AeroMax coupe coachwork; interesting history; awesome!" but it should surely be described as a Morgan Aero Special or some such.

Good call Graham

I don’t like being disparaging about someone’s car, but that leaves me with nothing to say about that Aero, it’s just horrible.

Well you could always bid on a 2015 Aero Supersport at RMS Paris auction, up with an estimate of €150k-200k. Sorry just going to get the dust sheet off the Coupe! Where's that EuroTunnel web site for bookings again.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/morgan/aero-8/2015-morgan-aero-supersports/9281905

What a car in that colour

One doesn't see many Three Wheelers from the 1940s. What do we think of this?

1949 Three Wheeler for sale

Want's quite a bit of work and money to get it correct

like this, properly restored

Yea, would have thought they are pretty rare...

That is quite an improvement! I'd rather have a 1930s Supersports, though.

need to brave for this one

..

Frankly, not bad value.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1957-m...aign=2019-02-09

Wonder where this will end up.....?

The Mercedes is a beautiful car in a beautiful color and obviously in a very good condition. If a reader opinion also complains that one does not see a photo of the area door, rocker panel, fender in front.

But what I want to say is, I admire this car and I have respect. But this car would never be a must have for me. I'm just too young for that. Mostly the classic cars are sold best, which are not older than the adolescence of the buyers. Exceptions confirm the rule, then there are most old rich collectors.

Or it's a light and sporty car like John's Ulster, where the driving fun is timeless.

Re the AeroMax.

It turns out the auctioneer is a certain Matthew Parkin (Brightwells head of classic motoring) who many of you will no doubt know from his Morgan days. I suspect they have a bead on the Heinz 57 AeroMax.

Next up - a vintage Morgan.....

Not original motor but interesting to see where this goes

1951 Plus 4 Morgan

I've always fancied a Flatrad with suicide doors

Well Jon M, here's your chance...

US$271,000.00 with less than a day to go....

Now $300,000. Is it really worth that?

Well some body thinks so and its not over yet.....

https://journal.classiccars.com/2019/02/...tm_source=zaius

What about this? Worth the money......

Bid to US$ 401,000 but NO sale - reserve not met.....

Given the recent restoration of the 49 Coupe in Perth W.A. this will be interesting.
1951 Plus 4

And if you feel like your own project.......
1967 Plus 4, 4 seater

They still pull good money...
1967 XKE Jaguar

1951 Plus 4, US$27,650 best bid - did not meet reserve

That's a whole lot of car for not much cash....
1989 BMW 635 csi

Such good value...

1999 SLK 230

2003 SLK 230

Hard to judge value on this without close inspection.
Moments to go US$10,500

SOLD @ US$12,000.00....

interesting to see where this trades....

1963 XKE Jaguar Engine & Gearbox

Better be quick.....

US$11,750.00 Sold

Now back to the auctions...
1985 Plus 8

This might keep you occupied...
1965 Plus 4 Project

Sold US$14,000

Sold US$ 47,800.00

That's a solid price for a good looking car.

Next up...
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-m...mp;utm_campaign

I have known this car and owner for most of my life (see my comments on both under the name Rikky_Von_Opel in the BaT auction).

This really is a great car for someone looking for a good solid driver. As mentioned in my post I have not seen the car in some time but know that it was running and driving last year. If anyone would like me to go for a visit I would be more than happy to do so.

Best,

Brian

Looking around the door areas this will be a complete rebuild job, I would guess the ash frame has suffered on this one. All doable but needs a lot of money factoring in IMHO.

Sold US$23,080 but with some work to do...

A couple of older 4/4's on the cat walk now.....

1966 4/4

1962 4/4

Not my favourite colour combination but interesting to see where this trades...
1982 Plus 8

I agree. The different tones of red do tend to clash. But then again the owner must have liked it.

Bid to US$ 34,500 but did not meet reserve.... NO trade

And now for something completely different...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2006-h...m_campaign=2019

For one for our friends in the States I suspect...

Rare Morgan Car Badge

Not a Car but another badge...
Morgan Car Badge

Now that really is different but cheap at the moment, not for me but you'll definitely get noticed in this one !

Looks like a cartoon car!

You are right Graham but it is about to trade...

An elegant badge for our New Zealand friends...

NZ Car Badge

Not the best looking car in my view but it would go like hell.
An interesting One of One....


SOLD - US$17,750.00

Now back to the real action...

1966 4/4

Sorry, I forgot about this one
SOLD @ US$ 15,000.00 - the rust would have put them off

It needed a new chassis with all that rust and holes is what happened I think Gary and then there is the bodywork to start on, not financially viable just a for love project I would say.

Correct Richard, looking at the state of the rust I changed the post. Sorry for the confusion.

No bids yet but it should sell well

1953 Plus 4

Next up....
1980 4/4

Sold US$ 25,756.00

Check again, reserve not met

You are correct Edwin. My mistake and thank you for correcting it.

Sold US$ 26,000.00

£12,995.00 , 25.000 miles look like a good deal for someone (maybe can bargain)

in their web site have also a +4 (2017) witch is apparently a better bargain even more expensive but less damage

+4 2017

4 seater Cat S

Good find Chester...

This should sell very well
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2...&utm_campaign=bat_model_notification

That looks interesting it appears they have removed the horrendous looking spring arrangement on the front bumper with overiders (witness black holes).
The P6000 tyres will be out of date by now I'm surprised they missed that, they stopped producing them a while ago now.

Dennis Glavis has no less than 3 of these Anniversary models in stock but they have the dodgy looking sprung high bumpers fitted.

Nice car. The photo on the lifting platform...I am not a specialist but I would have chosen the cross beam of the transmission for the lifting arms in front. At least I was glad that I could give the workshop in Udine, Italy instructions where to put the points when they had greased the front axle.

What are the bars that look like they would probably be just above the passengers and drivers knees? I assume some kind of US safety ruling.

Sold, US$47,750.00......

This looks very sharp....
1978 4/4

Re the Plus 8, the 35th anniversary models were not just produced for the US -there are quite a number over here, an unusual look without the trad waterfall grille I wonder what happened to it?
One of the nicest things about this car is the lack of UK underseal -it has me cursing everytime I have to do anything under the car - filthy stuff.

A 2017 M3W going in seven days

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2017-morgan-3-wheeler-3/

It will be interesting to see were this sells. Sale includes a custom trailer - essential for a M3W I would have thought.

2017 M3W - low miles WITH trailer......

sorry M3W55,just spotted your post....

Sold US $ 26,500.00

Actually not. Reserve price was not met.

Not sold. Reserve not met.

Some older Morgan style steps up to the auction block
1950 4/4 series 1

Sold for $48,250. The seller did well.

Don’t forget to take $5,000 off for the custom made trailer that went with the sale....

Quite correct musew, These look like good cars and its a shame the vendors could not sell them.
this time.

A very well optioned unit for the price as the sale blurb says - all the goodies.....
.
Factory options include the Bright Pack, a full windscreen, updated dashboard design, a Brooklands steering wheel, bonnet louvers, vintage bonnet catches, Coco floor mats, a G56 air filter cover, and Union Jack bonnet badges. In addition to the vehicle, the seller is including a custom-made hydraulic drive-on trailer that cost ~$5k new. This Morgan is now offered with two helmets, factory books/accessories

Bid to US$17,500 - NO SALE- such a shame

This may do better I hope...
1965 plus 4

Sold @ US28,500, a great little buy....

Looking sharp.....
https://journal.classiccars.com/2019/09/04/classically-british-1961-morgan-family-ownership/

This will be an interesting resale....

2017 M3W

That looks wicked in Black..

I see that the current owner only covered 350 miles before putting it up for sale. Such a shame that some people buy these vehicles and then do not use them.

Well Richard, its got all the bits so it should sell well......

A nice looking unit that should sell very well

1966 Drophead Coupe

Looks like the M3W market is running hot at the moment. There are 36 for sale on Morgan Dealer sites alone (and 4 Plus 6's). Not sure how many are on the block via other advertisements

At last check, 15 - 2019's, 7 - 2018s'and 4 - 2017's and even a few of the 12's & 13's

A good range prices and cars for your driving pleasure......

A well presented vehicle that looks period correct that should sell well..

1952 MG TD

That MG is a stunner, it will be very interesting to see what it achieves.

Not sure how this one will go in the US market

1968 4 Seater

The serious bidding should start about now......

Oh Dear.....

SOLD US$38,500

The Vendor paid US$ 43,250 to buy it on BaT in September 2018
After he paid commission, transport and rego fees as well as his own modifications he probably had US$ 47,0000 + into the vehicle

An expensive exercise to drive 350 miles in a year

But hey, he had fun.....
That's the way the market is

NO Sale, bid to US$18,250

Yes - the new buyer did quite well.

Well at least we know where low milage late model M3W's trade State side
A good price discovery exercise as we say.....

And the hits just keep on coming
Let's see how this little beauty sells.....

2018 M3W with low miles

Bid to US$21,000 and NO Sale - not even close according to the vendor.

$22k ?! Surely worth 50% more?!

Not much interest in this one BUT these auctions can go nuts right at the end.

Surprisingly slow bidding but there is one full day to go.....

Failed to meet reserve at $41,250

Yes, NO SALE .....
Very surprising and well short of vendor expectations I suspect
He just could not talk this one up.....

60's Morgan wings and bonnet at Cheffins sale:

Morgan Wings

Good Luck to whoever buys them, they will be a challenge to fit to another car.

Not listed on BAT yet but presumably soon will be,..... .
unless someone is in a position to advantageously pick it off the vine beforehand.
"Ain't She Sweet".....? !
https://www.morganexperience.com/forum/morgan-8-forum.4/sorting-a-1971-plus-8-for-sale.15508/

Photos---https://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_157133111554012&key=5dddb12f8afd3b5406ad7b69f4d9fea2&libId=k1ux02h10100qecg000DAfxif4scx&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.morganexperience.com%2Fforum%2Fmorgan-8-forum.4%2Fsorting-a-1971-plus-8-for-sale.15508%2F&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fsh%2Fd7hh19vrbgqe8a6%2FAABq3HaKvXwqSO_Q-OFcPnMba%3Fdl%3D0&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.talkmorgan.com%2Fubbthreads.php%2Ftopics%2F599770&title=Sorting%20a%201971%20Plus%208%20for%20sale%20%3A%20Morgan%20%2B8%20Forum%20%3A%20Morgan%20Experience%20Forums%20%3A%20The%20Morgan%20Experience&txt=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fsh%2Fd7hh19vrbgqe8a6%2FAABq3HaKvXwqSO_Q-OFcPnMba%3Fdl%3D0

A nice older MOG is next up.....
1960 Plus 4

A nice little project...
1955 Plus 4

Worth a lot of money when restored.

This is a little cracker of a car. Interesting to see how the "registration aspect" works
1933 3Wheeler

Yep, a four seater....

US $26,650 best Bid but NO Sale - did not meet reserve (Seller confirms it was set in the high 30's so a long way off)

They still pull good money even when they need a little work....
1981 Delorean DMC 12

Surprised to see the speedo only goes up to 85mph. I thought its quoted top speed was 110, but its performance certainly belied the racy looks.

Quite right M3W55. The "D" was not known for its performance. While the engine and gear box are beautifully matched in the 5 speed version, 130 bhp was just not going to cut it even back then. It was one of the reasons the car sold never once the initial hype settled down. I'm not sure what the real top speed is and I have no intention of trying to find out but she is a fantastic car of the freeway at 110 kph.......

Days of the "double nickel" speed limit.
I vaguely remember all cars in USA had speedometers that did not have any markings above 85mph. Can't remember what was on my hire car in Portland Or back in the early 80s.
So could be failing memory!

You could well be right Graham but I do know you can buy an after market speedo with a max of 95 MPH. The movie car was modified that way so it could show 88 MPH ( then you were going to see some serious shite......)

Bid to US$23,000 but NO sale - reserve not met

$52,000. Good price?

Sold at US 30,000 almost as much as a second hand modern M3W

That is a beauty Gary, I'd take that in preference to the M3W I have to say with that Matchless sticking out front there it's a gem.

5k-Mile 2005 Morgan Roadster
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2005-morgan-roadster-4/

SOLD @ US $81,000 - a good solid price for what is becoming a rare and sort after car.

And just to keep up the interest in a true classic....

1957 Mercedes 300sl

US$625,000 with 9 days to go!

The dashboard looks very different from the European 2005 Roadsters.

I followed the bidding. Absolutely insane. But there is a message. The Morgan Trad is alive and well in the U.S.

For sure...

This one should go fast in my opinion

I'm sure it will but didn't the 61 plus 4 have a side air intake scoop....?

NO nibbles so far....

Not listed on BAT,....won't be the focus of knowledgeable and entertaining commentary and critique
from it's regular auction audience and/or enthusiastic casual participants.

Half the fun is following the bidding and commentary. It can be quite entertaining and an interesting exercise in price discovery ......

That went well. Not a single bid it seems

I would have thought someone would have liked it, maybe Hawaii is too small and getting it shipped and registered elsewhere is too hard.

Ebay recommended this to me https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-Morga...3914127?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10 Interesting to look at and i am sure someone will love it but I can't afford it and if I did I would not chose it because I don't like the gearbox or the colour or the steering wheel on the wrong side.

best bid US$785,000 but NO Sale. It's not a Gull-wing but still short of the mark it would seem.

Here's one for the Christmas stocking.....
2018 M3W with low miles

Progressing slowly but there is still plenty of time.....

SOLD at US$ 45,850
Well bought! This is a 1 year old, now sorted vehicle that cost US$ 63,000 + new so you have a good ideal on depreciation rates....

That is a big hit Gary.
Here is a smile for you Gary, have a good one .
Back to Bethlehem ;-)

Classic Richard, thank you
Three wise men and they bought a Delorean........?

I think this will do very well, let's see....
2006 Aero 8

A nice punchy US25,001 bid to push it along....

An update to record the correct production date of 2005 but US$38,000 and rising...

We have now reached half the supposed target price of US$110,000 with 5 days to go...

US74,500 best bid - NO TRADE - did not meet reserve
(Well short of the mark I would think)

Interesting that it has the license plate partially covering the air intake, not good for an engine that runs hot anyway.

Looking for a bid....

2013 M3W on Ebay

This has been up for a while and also looking for a bid

1967 4/4 on Ebay

Both the M3W and 4/4 are overpriced in the current marketplace.

Very much looks to be the case....

Both still looking for a bid....

1990 Morgan Plus 8 ... Austin, Texas

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-morgan-plus-8/

Very workable and should sell well....

1937 MORGAN F4 ROADSTER (Lot #37).....Barrett-Jackson/Scottsdale Jan. 11-19th 2020

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1937-MORGAN-F4-ROADSTER-237338

1961 Morgan +4 Super Sports (Lot #83) "Exquisite photography!"
Jan 16, 2020·" Bonhams" The Scottsdale Auction

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25718/lot/83/

Good work on the car hunting Bert now lets see how they go......

Another M3W on the block....
2019 M3W with low miles

That is very low mileage.

Lots of safety discussion on this so far but there is time for the bidding to pick up....

SOLD - US $40,001......

Next up......
2005 Roadster

$22,000.00......* plus fees

Good find BertL. I think that's cheep and probably would have sold for more in the UK

This was an odd one. The winner got it for $40,000, having overbid by $11,000 two days ago with no-one bidding since. We don't know what the reserve was, but he might be thinking he was too generous. It's still a good price for the US though.

Looking at the bid history of the buyer it appears he likes the low to mid price Ferrari's and Mercedes that he can pick up cheap and "flip".

This time he miss priced the car and got tagged. Expect to see this back on the market somewhere soon....

Spirited bidding, sold rapidly!....bid to US$ 92,500 (US$ 103,600 inc. premium)

That is a fantastic price. Long live the trad....

No Sale - bid to US$60,000. Apparently some 20 grand off the desired price
Surprising

Not sure what to think of this one....
1958 Plus 4 RHD race car

Looks good, but not sure about the Carlos Fandango manifolds. I remember the fate of his extremely wide wheels on the Panama Cigar adverts!

How about these alternatives?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-mg-mgb-15/

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-austin-healey-bug-eye-sprite-47/

Like them - good that I am far away;-)

Great finds Mkiss. That MG does look tasty.....

The MG sells for US$15,500........

Race-prepared '58 Plus 4 right-hand drive ... photos +++++++

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-morgan-plus-4-6/

That is very nice😎

Slow bidding to US$11,000 but 3 days to go....

I think this is just a stunning classic that will go for good money.....
1949 Tolbot

And here it is.....
The original sale "fell through" so lets see how it goes this time.
2019 M3W goes back on the block

Very slow going on this one but there is still time for some aggressive bidding. Fingers crossed

Finally Sold at US$ 40,500 with some good price support from "Morganspares" to get the price up. Well done

A beautiful car but US$ 81,500 could not buy it. Reserve not met . NO Sale

Not a great time to selling discretionary items but here goes...

Low mileage 2016 M3W

Very slow bidding which is not surprising but there are two days to go....

Sold @ US$ 47,000

Not on BaT but interesting Morgan
1965 Morgan 4/4 on RM Sotheby's

Also from Sotheby's.....
Pre auction estimate US$35-45
1964 4/4 sold US$29,700

Very good money for this Jag
1961 E-Type SOLD US$280,500 including commission

Interesting reading.....

Morgan Cars offered by Sotheby's

Loving the Red one with the Brooklands screens, just perfect.

Lets see what happens here.....
2005 Aero 8

Wow water damaged electrics, Caveat Emptor !

Love the comments that Morgans but especially the "ugly" cross eyed variant generate

Looking at the pics of the first blue E Type, seems to have some degree of filler on the bonnet, if you look at the two holes through which the licence plate might mount..???? Those old Jags rot from the inside out.. At least they are infinitely repairable perhaps unlike later digital cars that have drowned electrics..Ouch !

And I just noticed a red Auburn Boat Tail speedster in one of the back ground shots.....

An Aero supersports for sale in London for £110k ask.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classif...morgan-aero-8-supersports-targa/10356666

US$105,000 could not by this Tiger. That is a strong bid I would have thought....

1965 Sumbeam Tiger

And "mileage inconsistency" to boot......

To be fair the argument of "they all do that mate" could be applied if the screen/roof seals have not been maintained. Oh and around the door leading edge. Oh and bottoms. Oh and around the leading edge of the door front screens. Well you get the idea. Or if the screen was not fitted correctly.

The screen especially can lead to water getting in behind the dash which is what could flag up like this I guess. As S2/America only has a seal across the top and bottom so this is an issue. Unless the owner left it by edge of a river or in a puddle overnight?

Good points Alistair. Sound like you have experience...

These still pull very good money. Well bid with 6 days to go.
1962 VW 23 Window Bus

Wow those VW kombis amaze me with what they fetch now, I got one of those multi window ones not long after leaving school for $200.00 NZ which is somewhere short of 100 pounds . It could hardly get up steep hills except in first with its wheezing 1200 cc .
Still I see a few restorers here specialising in them and even a Morgan dealer in the UK has done some, one of my nieces had three split screen ones as wedding cars, so they do appeal widely. The most amazing collection I stumbled across was about 10 years ago at a surf carnival -Manly beach Sydney superb Restos with all period accessories.

Looks like a good honest example of a Morgan Plus 4.
Lets see how it goes at auction...
1959 Plus 4

I found it interesting to read the comments on the 59+4, that section seems to attract "educated" Morgan comment, kinda like a discussion group as opposed to an auction site..? (-:

I note it has a TR engine which attracted interest. No more than a few months ago while once again trying to clear out my garage I gave a Morgan engine (ME engine number) and some All-Fin brake drums to a pal of mine who likes to mess around on eBay, I think he had little interest other than the sort of comment similar to that which appeared on the 59+4 thread... I think the engine ended up being scrapped... I guess those that value our old cars and related junk, are becoming fewer by the day....?

Dead right Luddite, the commentary in a BaT auction is usually well informed and interesting.
So not only do you get to find our what the real market value is you hear what the market thinks....

Lots of debate on this one throughout the auction commentary
bid to US$30,000 but 2 days to go.....

Nice little car for not much money
1951 MG TD...

Going cheap with a few minutes to go...

Not sure this is going to make a reserve...

If last years MOAVII was anything to go by then a less than perfect Aero 8 is not the way to go. There were two Aero 8s on the rally and they were the ones that had the most mechanical issues both being towed on a number of occasions with one not completing the event. They were well looked after Aeros that had been fully maintained and prepped for the event.

Sold @US$63,000

Wow that’s £51.400!

To quote Alistair 31/3/2020
"An Aero supersports for sale in London for £110k ask".

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/morgan/aero-8

Well good luck getting that trade done......

There does seem to be some enlightened pricing floating around right now.

Even the highly skilled and knowledgeable people at Williams made me pause for breath recently!

https://www.pistonheads.com/classif...-8/morgan-aero-coupe-aero-coupe/10360243

A Coupe for £125,000. I seem to remember several years back that it changed hands for something approaching half of that. If they can get it then I have another one waiting for them to sell !

Bruce, I did follow the tour via the blog and read about all the problems.

I was strongly interested in getting that car, I thought it would go in the 45-50k$ range and would afford me the opportunity of a finally getting into aero ownership with the undrstanding that I could experience some higher running cost during the first few months. Much to my surprise it went way above that. I talked to the owner (very nice guy) and his mechanic/electrician. The amount of money spent on the rebuilt of the car was incredible, north of 40k. Pretty much everything electronic was changed but the wiring loom: started, alternator, EWS, ECU, dash instruments, windshield wiper motor, window motor. All drivetrain was checked, clutch, TOB, pressure plate replace, gearbox and transmission opened, all bearings replaced.
What baffles me is that I was apparently the only one from the 7-8 people willing to drop 45k or more on the car to pick up the phone. at the end I think the seller got a great price for his car, and the buyer a good deal if everything works out ok.

Interesting feedback Ludo.

I hope it gets a good few miles put on it when this problem is over. It is the spitting (LHD) image of our beloved S2.

What a beautiful little car...
Bid to US$21,000 but no sale
1963 Fiat Vetture Special

Worth more than that. If it was here I would give $21K for it in a flash, I can well understand that the seller would not accept that figure. He will do much better in a year's time when the COVID-19 crisis is, hopefully, over.

Dead right Peter but you'd have to beat me to it...
Regrettably, I suspect this is a sign of things to come particularly in the "discretionary items" department.

Another very low mileage Morgan Trad on the block
1995 Plus 8

Wow, bid to US$78,000 but did not reach reserve.

I think this one should do well despite the current market conditions, let's see...

Good interest for this one...
1937 Aston Martin

Made in Malvern? 🤔

I do like that.

1995 PLUS 8 with only 6k on it - hardly driven at all.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-morgan-plus-8-3/

Very slow bidding but still 4 days to go...

Sold @ US$54,500
That's around A$86,500 on a straight currency conversion so about the current Australian market.
The auction commentary seemed to think it was about US$15,000 short of expectations.

Yes doing the currency conversion for here it is about the best you would see for a pre 97 plus 8, except of course the very early Moss box and FIA compliant ones.

They are coming thick and fast now....
1998 Plus 8

It always saddens me when the vehicle description includes “..... is now offered on behalf of the late owner’s estate.....” as this beautiful Morgan’s description states. You know that this was the owner's pride and joy, ordered exactly as he wanted and with the photo build record documenting his car being built per his desires.
With only 16k miles in 22 years it is hardly broken in, but here’s to hoping that the owner had a huge smile on his face for every single one of those miles, and I’d be willing to wager that he did. Hopefully this vehicle will go to someone who will love it as much as it appears the previous owner did.

I'm afraid I'm more on the pragmatic side, this is often where the bargains lie!

Agree RobNW

As the old joke goes - I hope she doesn't sell it for the amount he said it cost him ........

BARGAINS John..? I wonder what evaluation process you might be using..? Even pre-Covid-19 there were quite a few questions in my mind relative to the evaluation of ICE car market values as the result of possible changes in legislation relative to climate change..?

The whole idea of classic cars as some form of investment seems to be a tad risky, and as for Morgans, it seems the young have little interest in them..? Given the likely age of the average Morganeer.. it looks to me that there may be a degree of re-evaluation required, IF there might have ever been a need or plan that the value tied up in a Morgan may in time be released for other purposes...?

I suspect the sad story of Morgans and other classics coming to market as the result of any of the three "D`s" and the desire being to then turn hardly used toys back into cash, is one that seems likely to grow with time as the Covid effect begins to be REALLY felt, add to that the baby boomers such as I loosing their grip on the perch. and while I am no economist, I think markets work on a base line of supply relative demand..?

If on the other hand the possibility of falling value presents an opportunity to upgrade one`s classic car, and with no concern relative to the amount of cash involved in the process, then that may indeed be regarded as an opportunity, even if it seems possible the classic`s market value might seem likely to fall further still. perhaps even becoming deemed worthless in the market...?

Though having acquired that classic for a bargain price, when do we imagine we might be able to use it on the road..? Perhaps that matters not a jot, if like so many other classics it provides pleasure enough to have it just sitting in the garage, as so many such machines seem to do.... My own included..?

I expect a process of the re-evaluation of much may begin if not immediately, then perhaps sooner rather than later..? However there would seem to have been perhaps a 10 year build up of momentum in the classic market and others, which Covid-19 may have some potential to put the brakes on to some degree, if/when a somewhat more basic level of priorities may come to pass..?

Yeah, it`s being such a cheery chap that keeps me going....