buying privately these days?

Posted by: howard

buying privately these days? - 14/05/19 07:26 AM

Am about to buy a car from a guy who is 100 miles away. He works, which is relevant in terms of his daytime availability. And the car is on a private plate he wishes to keep.

As I undestand it, he needs to put the plate on retention and get a new V50 before he can sign the latter and hand it over to me. For my part I need to arrange insurance and register ownership and then tax the car all within an hour or two before driving the car home. Can this be done on line? Can you instantly re-register yourself as keeper?

What is the procedure?
Posted by: Culminator

Re: buying privately these days? - 14/05/19 08:08 AM

Why do you need to register ownership so quickly? A signed letter from him stating you have purchased the car should be ok surely?
Posted by: howard

Re: buying privately these days? - 14/05/19 08:20 AM

how do you tax it for the return journey home?
Posted by: JNI

Re: buying privately these days? - 14/05/19 08:35 AM

You can tax the car online using the details on the green ‘new keeper’ slip on the existing log book if you’ve just bought the car and don't have the log book/ registration document in your own name.
Posted by: Shooter

Re: buying privately these days? - 14/05/19 08:40 AM

The number change can be done online in seconds. Only rarely does DVLA require an inspection before allowing the number to come off. V5 normally turns up in a week.

Seller should take plate off once decision to sell has been made or immediately there is strong interest.
Posted by: Alistair

Re: buying privately these days? - 14/05/19 09:05 AM

The process is correct
He goes online and moves the plate off the car.
He gets the new plate form at this point and can print it and get the new plates for the car.
He then has to wait for the postal delivery of the new V5.
This has the new identification number needed for the next step.
I would say 2-3 days from completing the plate online these days.
You can now use the new V5 to get plates made.

This must be the longest standing car change in history Howard. What is it? The Ferrari, an electric replacement for the C or a new Plus 6 ?
Posted by: Gambalunga

Re: buying privately these days? - 14/05/19 09:47 PM

And I thought Italy had a ponderous bureaucratic system. Sounds like the UK is even worse. Never mind pollution, the whole world is doomed to disappear under a pile of virtual red tape.

These days even red tape is probably synthetic, non biodegradable and has a carbon footprint twice its own weight.
Posted by: rcmatt

Re: buying privately these days? - 15/05/19 08:04 PM

Originally Posted By Gambalunga
And I thought Italy had a ponderous bureaucratic system. Sounds like the UK is even worse. Never mind pollution, the whole world is doomed to disappear under a pile of virtual red tape.

These days even red tape is probably synthetic, non biodegradable and has a carbon footprint twice its own weight.


and then over here.... we have 50 states with 50 different sets of rules
Posted by: Alistair

Re: buying privately these days? - 15/05/19 09:19 PM

Originally Posted By Gambalunga
And I thought Italy had a ponderous bureaucratic system. Sounds like the UK is even worse. Never mind pollution, the whole world is doomed to disappear under a pile of virtual red tape.

These days even red tape is probably synthetic, non biodegradable and has a carbon footprint twice its own weight.


It may sound a little difficult but it is actually quite fast and easy Peter. I have been quite impressed by the ease and speed of DVLA. Compared to some Gov depts they are well organised.
Posted by: MDS61

Re: buying privately these days? - 15/05/19 10:36 PM

Originally Posted By Alistair
Originally Posted By Gambalunga
And I thought Italy had a ponderous bureaucratic system. Sounds like the UK is even worse. Never mind pollution, the whole world is doomed to disappear under a pile of virtual red tape.

These days even red tape is probably synthetic, non biodegradable and has a carbon footprint twice its own weight.


It may sound a little difficult but it is actually quite fast and easy Peter. I have been quite impressed by the ease and speed of DVLA. Compared to some Gov depts they are well organised.


Having just sold my "daily" - I to was amazed how quick and easy GOV.COM worked!

The buyer was at my house 20 minutes with his phone, in this time we, completed the bank transfer (funds straight into my acc) - changed the V5 - taxed the vehicle in his name - he also started the insurance policy....to drive the car away...fully legal.

I would go so far as to say that it is quicker now than before! notworthy
Posted by: +8Rich

Re: buying privately these days? - 15/05/19 10:48 PM

Originally Posted By rcmatt
Originally Posted By Gambalunga
And I thought Italy had a ponderous bureaucratic system. Sounds like the UK is even worse. Never mind pollution, the whole world is doomed to disappear under a pile of virtual red tape.

These days even red tape is probably synthetic, non biodegradable and has a carbon footprint twice its own weight.


and then over here.... we have 50 states with 50 different sets of rules



So does it follow that if you relocate to another state you have to start all over again ?

If so this makes our system very straightforward and efficient. Cue amazed expression..
Posted by: Edwin

Re: buying privately these days? - 16/05/19 02:08 AM

Originally Posted By +8Rich
Originally Posted By rcmatt
Originally Posted By Gambalunga
And I thought Italy had a ponderous bureaucratic system. Sounds like the UK is even worse. Never mind pollution, the whole world is doomed to disappear under a pile of virtual red tape.

These days even red tape is probably synthetic, non biodegradable and has a carbon footprint twice its own weight.


and then over here.... we have 50 states with 50 different sets of rules



So does it follow that if you relocate to another state you have to start all over again ?

If so this makes our system very straightforward and efficient. Cue amazed expression..


Yes! I'm in the process of buying an older Morgan in Ohio to take to Florida (my first Morgan) . Will need a new Title, plates, and registration. Will take multiple trip to the DMV most likely. The odometer is often challenged in this sort of scenario.
Posted by: Gambalunga

Re: buying privately these days? - 16/05/19 07:30 AM

Unfortunately Australia is like that too. Transferring a vehicle from one state to another can be a nightmare, as some of our Oz TM members can testify. Licencing and vehicle registration should be a national thing.
At least in NSW the insurance and tax goes with the car when it is sold and the transfer of ownership can be sent by mail by either party, however, to be sure it happens, it is best for the seller to notify the authority. I would think anything to do with the seller retaining a vanity plate would have to be done before the vehicle is sold. In effect a buyer can turn up with cash, spend a few moments completing documents, get a receipt for the payment, and drive away.

Here in Italy, whilst administration is regional, all licencing and vehicle registration I applicable nationally. They have investigated vanity plates but at the moment they are not available in Italy. All plates are issued by the authority and it is not possible to have your own plates made. Older registration plates used to be coded for the Province: an old plate starting CO was issued in the Province of Como. All new EU plates are national.

When a car is sold a change of ownership must be done by an agency, even though the title is now only electronic, and you must present ID documents and personal tax number. This naturally involves some time, arrangement, and the inevitable fee. The vehicle tax goes with the car, whatever is left of the year paid to date. Whilst insurance is not for named drivers the new owner must arrange insurance.

If the change of ownership could be done by the seller and buyer online it would be much simpler but I think the Italian government wouldn't trust people to do it themselves.
Posted by: Heinz

Re: buying privately these days? - 16/05/19 08:46 AM

Originally Posted By Edwin
Originally Posted By +8Rich
Originally Posted By rcmatt
Originally Posted By Gambalunga
And I thought Italy had a ponderous bureaucratic system. Sounds like the UK is even worse. Never mind pollution, the whole world is doomed to disappear under a pile of virtual red tape.

These days even red tape is probably synthetic, non biodegradable and has a carbon footprint twice its own weight.


and then over here.... we have 50 states with 50 different sets of rules



So does it follow that if you relocate to another state you have to start all over again ?

If so this makes our system very straightforward and efficient. Cue amazed expression..


Yes! I'm in the process of buying an older Morgan in Ohio to take to Florida (my first Morgan) . Will need a new Title, plates, and registration. Will take multiple trip to the DMV most likely. The odometer is often challenged in this sort of scenario.


I have learned that e.g. in California a new car will keep its plate a whole life as long it is in California. If it is sold second hand to another US state it will get a new plate from there. What if a car goes back to California later on. Can it use its first original California plate again? E.g. a nice 60s black plate, or has it to be a new one?
Posted by: +8Rich

Re: buying privately these days? - 16/05/19 09:25 AM

Originally Posted By Edwin
Originally Posted By +8Rich
Originally Posted By rcmatt
Originally Posted By Gambalunga
And I thought Italy had a ponderous bureaucratic system. Sounds like the UK is even worse. Never mind pollution, the whole world is doomed to disappear under a pile of virtual red tape.

These days even red tape is probably synthetic, non biodegradable and has a carbon footprint twice its own weight.


and then over here.... we have 50 states with 50 different sets of rules



So does it follow that if you relocate to another state you have to start all over again ?

If so this makes our system very straightforward and efficient. Cue amazed expression..


Yes! I'm in the process of buying an older Morgan in Ohio to take to Florida (my first Morgan) . Will need a new Title, plates, and registration. Will take multiple trip to the DMV most likely. The odometer is often challenged in this sort of scenario.


Good luck with that, quite a performance but worth it in the end.
Posted by: BobtheTrain

Re: buying privately these days? - 16/05/19 03:03 PM

Originally Posted By Alistair
I have been quite impressed by the ease and speed of DVLA. Compared to some Gov depts they are well organised.

You are lucky. It took them 5 and a half months to reinstate my Cat C1 licence. I certainly don't think that is well organised.
Posted by: rcmatt

Re: buying privately these days? - 16/05/19 04:17 PM

It even gets crazier with medical licenses (I am a physician) as each state has its own medical board and you have to have a license to do any practice in that state. I got my first license in Oregon as that is where I was a resident (I let that lapse). Then Oklahoma where I had my practice (still have that one). Then moved a few times after I got into Medical Education. So I currently have a Virginia license and have had (but lapsed) one in Pennsylvania and Texas.

Each board has a different set of rules for your application, an application fee and an annual or biannual license fee!

Unless, of course you work for the military, the VA or "Indian Health Service" in which case you work for the US government and "any state license" is all you need.