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Employer's liability.

Posted By: pandy

Employer's liability. - 10/09/19 04:34 PM

Excellent story in the Times about a chap who died after having sex with a woman whilst away on a business trip was found to be the victim of a workplace accident, for which his employer is in part responsible. Excellent example of how daft French employment law can be, and why I (and many employers) are pretty sanguine about the stuff that comes out of Brussels, which can seem tame by comparison.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...reToken=648e383b75efeb67d6506ca32d13f6c5

I like the reference to Félix Faure, the President who died in his office in the Elysée Palace whilst being fellated by a 30 year old woman. After the event, she was known as "La pompe funebre", and Georges Clemenceau coined a witty epitaph for Faure "Il voulait être César; il ne fut que Pompée" (he wanted to be Caesar, but ended up as Pompey, alternatively, he wanted to be Caesar and ended up having oral sex).

(Pomper in French is also slang for performing oral sex on a man).

Posted By: John V6

Re: Employer's liability. - 10/09/19 04:51 PM

Pipes has a similar unfortunate connotation in Dutch. When I returned to the UK you guessed one colleagues surname was *****.
Posted By: ChrisConvertible

Re: Employer's liability. - 11/09/19 06:27 AM

Not the first time sex has been claimed as a workplace accident, this is rather amusing as well.

https://www.smh.com.au/public-servi...itled-to-compo-court-20120419-1x8z3.html
Posted By: pandy

Re: Employer's liability. - 11/09/19 07:32 AM

Thanks Chris. It goes some way to confirming what one of my Aussie mates claims, that employment law is as much of a nightmare for employers down under as it is here.
Posted By: Gambalunga

Re: Employer's liability. - 11/09/19 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by pandy
Excellent story in the Times about a chap who died after having sex with a woman whilst away on a business trip was found to be the victim of a workplace accident, for which his employer is in part responsible. Excellent example of how daft French employment law can be, and why I (and many employers) are pretty sanguine about the stuff that comes out of Brussels, which can seem tame by comparison.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...reToken=648e383b75efeb67d6506ca32d13f6c5

I like the reference to Félix Faure, the President who died in his office in the Elysée Palace whilst being fellated by a 30 year old woman. After the event, she was known as "La pompe funebre", and Georges Clemenceau coined a witty epitaph for Faure "Il voulait être César; il ne fut que Pompée" (he wanted to be Caesar, but ended up as Pompey, alternatively, he wanted to be Caesar and ended up having oral sex).

(Pomper in French is also slang for performing oral sex on a man).


I imagine that whilst the employer is held responsible the claim would be covered by insurance, would it not? Of course this then adds, ultimately, to the cost of insurance and thereby the cost of employment. Interesting that the same ruling was made in Australia. The world has indeed gone mad and no one is now responsible for their own actions. You climb through a fence and fall off a cliff and the local council gets sued for not putting up a sign telling you it was dangerous.

The joke about "La pompe funebre" would also work in Italian where a "pompe funebri" is an undertaker's establishment or a funeral home and the word "pompe" could also have connotations of oral sex.
Posted By: PaulJ

Re: Employer's liability. - 11/09/19 08:39 AM

........and talking of Pompe, I heard a radio snippet the other day that incidences of throat cancer, as well as anal cancer, was rising. I couldn't help wondering if there was any connection with pompe/pipes?
Posted By: sospan

Re: Employer's liability. - 11/09/19 09:20 AM

I dread to think of the consequences of training courses like we did in my Gallaher Tobacco days....
Before you start....no hanky pankey (that I was aware of) but we did “team building” etc involving a lot of outward bound stuff.
Cross country hikes, crossing the Thames in a rubber dinghy, bivvy building for overnight.
On another one we took YTS to an outward bound centre for a week. I remember filming a river crossing whilst suspended from ropes above the river. Didn’t give it a second thought. We abseiled on cliffs near St Davids, canoed, rode horses.....
I was “volunteered” to go as I had done outward bound, climbing, canoeing etc so ended up really enjoying the week. It was great seeing the YTS get involved and try stuff out too.
I don’t think it would happen these days.
Posted By: pandy

Re: Employer's liability. - 11/09/19 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Gambalunga

I imagine that whilst the employer is held responsible the claim would be covered by insurance, would it not? Of course this then adds, ultimately, to the cost of insurance and thereby the cost of employment. Interesting that the same ruling was made in Australia. The world has indeed gone mad and no one is now responsible for their own actions. You climb through a fence and fall off a cliff and the local council gets sued for not putting up a sign telling you it was dangerous.


I noted in the Australian document that one of the arguments was " the absence of any rule that employees should not have anyone else in their room".

I guess on that basis, even the had the employer made such a rule, they'd still be liable if the employee had injured herself, say, having sex in her company car (or as KBW would say, rootin' in the back of the ute), unless the company also had rules about business/pleasure use of company vehicles....
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