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Plus 6 demonstrator drive

Posted By: John V6

Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 13/08/19 12:18 PM

Krazy Horse have been mad enough to allow me to test drive their +6 on Sat at 11:00.
laugh2 woohoo
Posted By: CooperMan

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 13/08/19 12:33 PM

Lucky chap, I managed a (paid for) passenger ride at Prescott on Sunday with Mark Baldwin

I'd watched in the morning after my own run in the Roadster, and as Mark had clearly been 'giving it the beans' I thought I'd cough up my £tenner, anyway of course by then it pi55ed it down & so we entertained the onlookers by risking hood up?? hood down?? three times in the warm up queue

Many thanks to Mrs M for braving the rain to get a photo

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Posted By: John V6

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 13/08/19 12:46 PM

And Graham to wave you off!
Posted By: CooperMan

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 13/08/19 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by John V6
And Graham to wave you off!


Yes, Graham got a mention in the birthday honours list yesterday
Posted By: madmax

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 13/08/19 01:09 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2654186

Switch the traction control on ! Oh hell there isn't any , and not on the options list !
Posted By: John V6

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 13/08/19 01:24 PM

Steve,
I also looked at the weather. But a chance at a go can't be passed up can it.
John
Posted By: CooperMan

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 13/08/19 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by madmax
https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2654186

Switch the traction control on ! Oh hell there isn't any , and not on the options list !


Naa, just pay the excess waiver before you set off laugh2
Posted By: madmax

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 13/08/19 03:26 PM

boat
Posted By: Graham, G4FUJ

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 13/08/19 04:36 PM

Enjoy the drive John!! thumbs
Posted By: HeadlessBlue

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 13/08/19 06:33 PM

Hope you enjoy the drive John. How long do you have it for and where do you plan on taking it? Really looking forward to your review and thoughts
HB
Posted By: John V6

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 13/08/19 06:44 PM

Not sure for how long. I would hope some back roads round Bury St Edmund's and then the A14
Posted By: Taffmog

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 13/08/19 10:41 PM

Be careful John, you’ll want one !
Enjoy!
Posted By: waikiore

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 14/08/19 05:15 AM

I am sure Indigo can be accomodated once the first parcel of cars are out of the way!
Posted By: BobtheTrain

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 14/08/19 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by John V6
and then the A14

Be careful of foreign lorries.
Posted By: madmax

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 14/08/19 03:00 PM

Forcast is much better now John , thank goodness , we will be passing there mid morning , may see you .
Posted By: John V6

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 14/08/19 05:12 PM

I was at Allon Whites today getting heated seats fitted. They told me all the launch cars are sold.
Posted By: CooperMan

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 15/08/19 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by John V6
I was at Allon Whites today getting heated seats fitted. They told me all the launch cars are sold.


Very positive news for MMC then, I wonder if influenced by some good write-ups in the motoring mags

I think only one potential buyer on TM, where have all the others gone ? 'newbies' ?
Posted By: OZ 4/4

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 15/08/19 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by CooperMan
Originally Posted by John V6
I was at Allon Whites today getting heated seats fitted. They told me all the launch cars are sold.


Very positive news for MMC then, I wonder if influenced by some good write-ups in the motoring mags

I think only one potential buyer on TM, where have all the others gone ? 'newbies' ?


One bound for Western Australia I suspect.....
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 15/08/19 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by CooperMan
Originally Posted by John V6
I was at Allon Whites today getting heated seats fitted. They told me all the launch cars are sold.


Very positive news for MMC then, I wonder if influenced by some good write-ups in the motoring mags

I think only one potential buyer on TM, where have all the others gone ? 'newbies' ?

Jon, JamesP is taking delivery of his in a few weeks he mentioned it on one of your other Plus 6 threads.

It seems HB has the clearance from the financial controller to go ahead too, his enthusiasm is wonderfully contagious clap.
Posted By: Peter J

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 15/08/19 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by John V6
I was at Allon Whites today getting heated seats fitted. They told me all the launch cars are sold.


I talked to Mark Leddington and he told me if I ordered now I'd get it for Christmas.
So I bought a lottery ticket.
Sorry Mark, I didn't win!
Posted By: HeadlessBlue

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 15/08/19 06:32 PM

Aaaah bonjour monsieur ploooos huit (yep fluent in French too). If ‘‘tis I that you refer to, I have semi approval for a test drive and if (and is a big ploppy if), Lady HB “gets it “ in terms of the auto element and comfort of ride, it is something that could be entertained when I reach the grand old age of 55. Apparently I may be allowed by her to access some of my pension funds to finance the difference between Florence (Mk 1) and a Plus 6. Of course as long as it still allows sufficient value left to finance her early retirement if required. I have to say though that the reviews sound great and Lady HB likes the sound of the comfortable ride thus, as I genuinely want her to be comfortable and enjoy the ride I am enthused myself. Less bothered about the speed if honest.
Better crack on with work then to put more money in at the front end!!!!
But at least it’s not a flat ‘no’ so I am optimistic. In the meantime I love Florence and can’t get enough of her. Ppphhhhhwwwoooooooaaaaaaarrrrrr
HB
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 15/08/19 09:33 PM

Apologies for zero French HB, I have a good cover of German but my late father being Polish did very little to encourage this but it came in handy when I worked over there for a few years. That sounds like a very sensible plan you have going there and a lot of support from your good lady mine just thinks they are windy and noisy, well I don't take it out if it's bucketing down so leave the roof at home and it has the Librands dual Sports exhaust so yes it is noisy.
She is a gem though (the good lady, well both really) and if it keeps me happy she is all for it.
We are both retired and in a couple of years we have a few things maturing so this I figure will tie in with the teething troubles being over for the new model so if the Sports exhaust sounds good and maybe a manual box I may well be tempted. I can't trust myself to test drive one as I'm damn sure it would create an instant craving which is doable but I'd like to see how the early adopters get on first.
Of course in a couple years they may have a real world power unit installed by then with manual box, personally I find the 190bhp and torque available in the Plus 8 to be a more than adequate power level for me 0 to 60 in 6 Sec and 120mph so could be more interested in a lesser powered one, it's the CX chassis I find interesting and attractive more so than the Bavarian Motor Werks contribution.

When I sat in the Plus 6 at the FOS the thing that totally jarred with me was the gear shifter so I really hope as has been suggested that a manual option becomes available. I didn't find the seats uncomfortable at all but neither have I in my previous Morgan's perhaps I'm just fortunate in my personal upholstery department.

I'll be interested to hear all about your test drive.
Posted By: madmax

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 18/08/19 04:59 AM

Saw the light blue plus 6 in Fornham all saints on Sat morning around 9.45am .was it you driving john ? Was in the green plus 8 just behind the white van behind the plus 6 . : woohoo
Posted By: BuyBritish

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 18/08/19 06:01 AM

Steve John wasnt on his drive til later, I was on my drive at about 1230 just after the rain, so didnt put the power down until it was pointing in a straight direction....great fun...


Posted By: Richard Wood

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 18/08/19 06:55 AM

Test drive booked with KH this Wednesday happy3
Posted By: madmax

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 18/08/19 06:56 AM

Well attended plus 6 drive then ! Who was on the 9am slot I wonder drive
Posted By: John V6

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 18/08/19 07:11 AM

Also there was a plod with a speed camera on the route. He must have got fed up with that car. As said I was driving at 11 in the dry so plenty of right foot action to legal limits.
love woohoo
Posted By: pete757

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 18/08/19 12:39 PM

What impression did that 'right foot action' leave with you?
Posted By: CooperMan

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 19/08/19 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by John V6
Also there was a plod with a speed camera on the route. He must have got fed up with that car. As said I was driving at 11 in the dry so plenty of right foot action to legal limits.
love woohoo


I hope KH discount it's retail price - you lot have ragged it to death before it's run-in flag laugh2
Posted By: pete757

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 20/08/19 12:40 PM

Best way of running it in!
Posted By: Richard Wood

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 20/08/19 08:47 PM

My turn tomorrow scared
Posted By: Richard Wood

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 21/08/19 04:34 PM

Test drive today with KH. Unfortunately still on trade plates so Dan sat in with me for necessarily shortish drive. Longer one promised later.

Don't want to repeat too much of what has been said already. Also my views are based on stepping straight out of a one year old Roadster. Yes it steers and handles effortlessly around corners with a more wheel feedback than my Roadster, also with electric assistance. No discernable rattles and a smooth ride over bumpy roads very much unlike my Roadster. The higher seat height which I noticed immediately on sitting in one several weeks ago, is soon forgotten. Seats themselves have firmer squabs suggesting longer distances could be covered in comfort. I found the rearmost position of seatback was right for me although leaving nothing in reserve. Exiting was easier than my Roadster, but with the seat set for my average length legs, not exceptionally so. That might be a reflection on my ageing body though oldgit

Spent some time fiddling with all the auto transmission options on 8 speed box. The manual mode when selected whilst underway drops a gear or two and then will hold that gear up to the red line before changing up, or sooner when you command an upward change via flappy paddle or gearstick. Downward changes initiate auto throttle blip. A double click on downshift paddle drops two gears for quicker engine braking. The Sport mode button offers a lower gear for more immediate acceleration, it also magnifies throttle pedal position, effectively making it even more responsive. Apparently the car learns your driving syle over time and tailors shifts accordingly, presumably in plain Drive mode. In this mode kickdown works well and smoothly, and I imagine for a lot of owners using the car on the road this will be the mode of choice. The gear changes are far quicker than I could ever manage with a manual box and having eight of them gives smooth and rapid progress up to any desired speed. Performance in any mode is phenomenal although frenetic at higher revs and in manual mode.

Now the negatives for me. The engine note with standard exhaust lacks character and as already mentioned is frenetic rather than exciting at higher revs. Clearly it was never going to match the soundtrack of a V8 but suffice to say it brought a new respect for the V6 note of my Roadster, especially when booting it. There is some popping on the overrun at low revs but this is very muffled by that rear lateral silencer. Towards the end of my test I also noted an annoying note from the exhaust system when pootling along. Similar on my Roadster but for the fact it's a quieter, more pleasant, less intrusive sound.

Other observations, the audio system has flying lead jack input for sound streaming. How much would it have cost to include a pre-installed Bluetooth adaptor, although they are available for a few £'s. The very necessary digital speed readout in front of you (as Speedo numbers are tiny) cannot be seen at all with polarising sunglasses.

All this has given me an appetite to try an Aero chassied Plus 8 now though wink drive
Posted By: Alistair

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 21/08/19 07:19 PM

Nice commentary on the positives and negatives. How big was the smile at the end is my question? mild, big, jaw aching ?

It will be interesting to see how many trad owners change and the reactions vs the same for Aero owners. I am a little surprised there are more people with trad backgrounds posting about the test drive than Aero owners. Having said that it is good as it shows that Morgan have got their decisions on product introduction right. It could well help resale values on the remaining (not overpriced final model) Plus 8 models. Probably a few going for side pipe options as well. Why stop at a little noisy when you can be utterly naughty.
Posted By: Graham, G4FUJ

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 21/08/19 07:29 PM

As far as high seats are concerned, please note Charles Neal's comments in his road test in Miscellany (the MSCC journal) "determined by homologation rules for sight lines" - in the main for forward view.
Posted By: Richard Wood

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 21/08/19 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Alistair
Nice commentary on the positives and negatives. How big was the smile at the end is my question? mild, big, jaw aching ?


Probably mild, although in fairness I suspect a longer drive by myself on challenging roads may allow that smile to broaden.
Posted By: CooperMan

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 22/08/19 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Graham, G4FUJ
As far as high seats are concerned, please note Charles Neal's comments in his road test in Miscellany (the MSCC journal) "determined by homologation rules for sight lines" - in the main for forward view.


I'd missed that, thanks Graham ! For me I just don't feel comfortable in the PlusSix seats compared to my Roadster
Posted By: Rovert

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 22/08/19 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by CooperMan
Originally Posted by Graham, G4FUJ
As far as high seats are concerned, please note Charles Neal's comments in his road test in Miscellany (the MSCC journal) "determined by homologation rules for sight lines" - in the main for forward view.


I'd missed that, thanks Graham ! For me I just don't feel comfortable in the PlusSix seats compared to my Roadster


"Rules is Rules" I guess. But seems a bit arbitrary, are the sight lines based on the height of an Average Euro Person? If so someone who is shorter than an AEP would not be meeting the homologation rules.
Posted By: pete757

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 22/08/19 12:51 PM

Should have been homologated in Italy!
Posted By: madmax

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 24/08/19 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Richard Wood
Test drive today with KH. Unfortunately still on trade plates so Dan sat in with me for necessarily shortish drive. Longer one promised later.

Don't want to repeat too much of what has been said already. Also my views are based on stepping straight out of a one year old Roadster. Yes it steers and handles effortlessly around corners with a more wheel feedback than my Roadster, also with electric assistance. No discernable rattles and a smooth ride over bumpy roads very much unlike my Roadster. The higher seat height which I noticed immediately on sitting in one several weeks ago, is soon forgotten. Seats themselves have firmer squabs suggesting longer distances could be covered in comfort. I found the rearmost position of seatback was right for me although leaving nothing in reserve. Exiting was easier than my Roadster, but with the seat set for my average length legs, not exceptionally so. That might be a reflection on my ageing body though oldgit

Spent some time fiddling with all the auto transmission options on 8 speed box. The manual mode when selected whilst underway drops a gear or two and then will hold that gear up to the red line before changing up, or sooner when you command an upward change via flappy paddle or gearstick. Downward changes initiate auto throttle blip. A double click on downshift paddle drops two gears for quicker engine braking. The Sport mode button offers a lower gear for more immediate acceleration, it also magnifies throttle pedal position, effectively making it even more responsive. Apparently the car learns your driving syle over time and tailors shifts accordingly, presumably in plain Drive mode. In this mode kickdown works well and smoothly, and I imagine for a lot of owners using the car on the road this will be the mode of choice. The gear changes are far quicker than I could ever manage with a manual box and having eight of them gives smooth and rapid progress up to any desired speed. Performance in any mode is phenomenal although frenetic at higher revs and in manual mode.

Now the negatives for me. The engine note with standard exhaust lacks character and as already mentioned is frenetic rather than exciting at higher revs. Clearly it was never going to match the soundtrack of a V8 but suffice to say it brought a new respect for the V6 note of my Roadster, especially when booting it. There is some popping on the overrun at low revs but this is very muffled by that rear lateral silencer. Towards the end of my test I also noted an annoying note from the exhaust system when pootling along. Similar on my Roadster but for the fact it's a quieter, more pleasant, less intrusive sound.

Other observations, the audio system has flying lead jack input for sound streaming. How much would it have cost to include a pre-installed Bluetooth adaptor, although they are available for a few £'s. The very necessary digital speed readout in front of you (as Speedo numbers are tiny) cannot be seen at all with polarising sunglasses.

All this has given me an appetite to try an Aero chassied Plus 8 now though wink drive



Richard , you need to drive an Aero plus 8 asap , you will like it , especially one with side pipes !
Posted By: twotribes

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 04/09/19 08:01 PM

I drove the BHM Plus Six demonstrator yesterday and found it lived up/down to my expectations set by reading comments on here and road Tests. Having owned an Aero for seven years and still having two 4/4s - it was an interesting experience. If my Aeromax had handled as well as the Plus Six and had as much cockpit space, I probably wouldn't have sold it. The chassis is way beyond the Aeromax (albeit, possibly the worst-handling Aero variant, with too much weight at the rear, over-stiff springs and oversized wheels) and has much more compliance, a nose that turns in more keenly and less 'squat' on acceleration or 'dive' on braking. I was very impressed.

Some have mentioned the high seating position (which I liked - it suits the size of the car) and the gear shifter (which needs a machined metal housing, but is easy to use and perfectly positioned). Because of the higher seats, there is more elbow room than other Aeros and you don't bang your elbow on the handbrake or door molding. My only gripe would be the flappy paddles which are flimsy plastic and - worse - do not move with the steering wheel, but are fixed to the steering column housing. Maybe this stood out because it is different to my daily driver, and I might get used to it.

The seats themselves are great, with the caveat that they are designed for people whose shoulders are wide and bum narrow. If you are designed the other way around, you are going to struggle to get comfy.

All round, it was almost as fun as my 4/4 (high praise indeed) but would be massively more usable because the doors open fully, the dash does not intrude into how you enter/exit the car, there is shoulder room and about 50% more luggage space behind the seats than a trad. Yes it is bonkers fast which would be fun on occasion, but for me the real attraction would be if my Wife would be comfortable to tour in it (which for different reasons she won't in the 4/4 and wouldn't in the Aero). I suppose I'd better take her to have a look at it...
Posted By: SFO

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 05/09/19 11:43 PM

Had a quick 20 min drive around West London today. It was the moonstone first edition; just beautiful on a sunny September day.

Initial impressions derived solely from driving no faster than 30mph.

What a car! The ride and compliance is superb and a revelation. It’s not floaty or loose, it’s sure footed and wonderfully resolved. You can really feel the wonder of the new gen much stiffer chassis.

Steering has heft but not enough feel, it’s too filtered. But perfectly acceptable.

It is stupid fast. Even in normal, I found the throttle too sensitive and the car almost psychotic. In Sport+, I found it almost undrivable. The software needs fine tuning for more finesse. It’s like someone who is speaking just too fast for the listener to truly hear what is being said.

I didn’t find the seat too high, but I am only 5’8’. The seats felt very comfortable for me, with the side bolsters just perfect. The seat base could do with some side bolsters. The cabin is so much more roomy than any other previous Morgan, it really transforms the comfort and usability of the car. For the first time, I can get the steering far away enough from me to feel safe and comfortable - seating position was spot on. A real achievement. The doors are longer too, so in and out is a lot easier.

Quality is excellent, it feels well built, solid and tough. I heard no strange noises. In a year or two, it should be even better.

Apparently, when BMW mates a manual gearbox to this engine, Morgan will make it available; when that happens, I am getting one .. I think.

I ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT.

Much much more engaging, charming and seductive that I imagined.
Posted By: Alistair

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 06/09/19 07:21 AM

Excellent news.
Posted By: Sir Percival

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 06/09/19 09:09 AM

“Initial impressions derived solely from driving no faster than 30 mph

It is stupid fast. Even in normal, I found the throttle too sensitive and the car almost psychotic. In Sport+, I found it almost undrivable. The software needs fine tuning for more finesse. It’s like someone who is speaking just too fast for the listener to truly hear what is being said. “

Sorry, those two comments contradict each other!
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 06/09/19 09:19 AM

Good news for a car that is hardly designed as a town car it's no wonder it felt a bit restless.
Posted By: SFO

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 06/09/19 10:17 AM

fast as in great acceleration .. you can just feel how quick it is, without even trying at all

car was not restless, it was the throttle mapping I was criticising
Posted By: SFO

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 06/09/19 10:18 AM

it is a wonderful thing to pootle around town in
Posted By: CooperMan

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 10/09/19 03:47 PM

Had a test drive thanks to AW last Saturday, initial impressions were that it was better finished than the one at Mog19, it's stupid fast if you want it to be, even in slush mode the auto is a little snappy and I felt wants to start in too low a gear, eg crawling over speed bumps

The hi-set driving position is soon forgotten, but the seat back was too 'flat' and hard for me, I had a root under the seat & there's no way you could lower the mount, it's bolted direct to the floor, I fact it's so tight it ruckells the footwell mat when you slide the seat forward

I caught Mrs M, trying out the navigators seat

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Because I have ocd on maintenance & detailing I took quite a few shots of hidden bits & I'll add these later with some observations

more to follow...
Posted By: CooperMan

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 10/09/19 03:56 PM

The battery is nice & accessible and has multiple feeds, it has to sit low to miss the bonnet line, I assume the black plastic box on top is the master fuses

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And this forces some encroachment in the passenger footwell, but not too noticeable when sat

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Footwell lighting & seat heater incorporated
Posted By: Paul F

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 10/09/19 05:32 PM

Does anyone know yet if the wings have to be removed for servicing?
Posted By: deano

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 10/09/19 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Paul F
Does anyone know yet if the wings have to be removed for servicing?



I would suggest not having seen the amount of room around the engine.
Posted By: CooperMan

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 11/09/19 08:14 AM

So here goes the next few...

The rad fan is mounted in front of the rad, I assume because it's too tight in front of the engine space

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Throttle body on N/S with bespoke wing shape, access tight if you ever need to clean the MAF sensor

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Also located N/S must be the ABS unit looking at the collection of brake pipes, possibly under the wing ?

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And talking of brakes, the master cylinder / servo is mounted much higher on the bulkhead (compared to Trads) which allows a more conventional top hung brake pedal

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Although, my right foot whilst resting on the accelerator was only a knats whatsit from touching the right hand edge of the brake, nice that there's a proper rest for your redundant left foot
Posted By: CooperMan

Re: Plus 6 demonstrator drive - 11/09/19 11:26 AM

Back again...

The exhaust manifold is cast not tubular & the CAT is attached direct, so in effect sits in the engine bay

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I think it needs a proper heat shield - it's going to get very hot in here, and radiated heat could effect some of those cables & pipes

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As others have commented on, there are masses of cables & pipes within the engine bay, see also the battery shot in previous post

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But on the subject of shields, it was nice to see some bespoke rear wing liners, so no exposed backs of light fittings & stops star cracks from stones pinged off the tyre

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