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F1, 2022

Posted By: Peter J

F1, 2022 - 25/04/22 10:19 AM

I thought a new F1 thread was a good idea.... 4 down and a lot to go!

Watching the Emilia Romagna GP after getting back from Brooklands confirmed that we have an interesting year ahead. The Mercedes is a bit of a dog, but if George, young pretender can get up to 4th what happened to Lewis? I think this year it is going to be a battle between Red Bull and Ferrari, with occasional interruptions by McLaren. Certainly worth watching the races.
Thoughts, peeps?
Posted By: Alistair

Re: F1, 2022 - 25/04/22 11:33 AM

Yes the cat is among the pigeons in AMG. George doing a better job all weekend and in the season rankings as well.
George 49 points for the season so far to Lewis 28
Lewis throwing a right wobble off track. If this continues Toto will be happy about that one year contract so he can put more money into the car and development. Return of Bottas perhaps ? laugh2

Very sad for Leclerc, that was one he should have won given his great form.
You can never leave an inch for Red Bull or Max as they will always work it one way or another.
Same for Sainz, that should have been a weekend that cemented his place in the team.
Brilliant to see Norris, Russell and Bottas getting some points.

Red Bull came away with a serious stash of points.
1st in sprint
1st in main race
Fastest lap
2nd in main race
3rd in sprint

I was not expecting such a fun race.

p.s. I put it down to damaged retinas, have you seen his latest garb?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowb...sense-style-tie-dye-jacket-trousers.html
Looks like a group spasm at a paintball competition.
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I notice he misses the chance to double up on the advertising by covering his bouncer!
Posted By: Heinz

Re: F1, 2022 - 25/04/22 12:06 PM

Too bad for Sainz, he really couldn't help being pushed out. And Leclerc...maybe the pressure and the expectations of Ferrari and the Italian fans were too big so that such a stupid mistake happened, especially since his teammate was no longer a support after the accident.
Regarding Mercedes, what obviously has a negative impact on performance is the departure of Ben Hodgkinson to Red Bull, who also took other competent engineers with him. That doesn't really explain the difference between Hamilton and Russel, but it's a good example of how money alone doesn't make a good engine.
Posted By: Peter J

Re: F1, 2022 - 25/04/22 12:52 PM

Lewis continues to talk the talk, but is stumbling when it comes to walking the walk...
Time to retire, Lewis.
Posted By: PaulyG

Re: F1, 2022 - 25/04/22 02:14 PM

I wonder about the porpoising in damp conditions. It really has to make the car more unstable.

As far as Lewis vs Russell, I think it's a head game. When things don't go right for Lewis it really effects him on the track.
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 25/04/22 03:29 PM

As Murray Walker once said about Schummi - he would be dangerous in a pram in an F1 race - exactly the same applies to Lewis it would be very unwise to discount him, George is younger with everything to prove and possibly driving a wee bit closer to the absolute limit as he should be, it will be interesting later on in the season to see how it all pans out.

I felt really sorry for Ferrari in their home game but they'll be back fighting again.
Posted By: DavidR

Re: F1, 2022 - 25/04/22 04:43 PM

I always felt George would come in and give Lewis a good run for his money, following his previous stand in for Lewis. Whilst all drivers are coming to grips with the new 2022 cars, George has come in to Mercedes with a reputation for being able to punch the Williams above its weight. I think he is therefore currently better able to cope with peddling a relatively uncompetitive car than Lewis, who has for the past few years has got used to driving F1 perfection. Hopefully Mercedes will get their car performing appropriately and give us some exciting racing.
Posted By: Heinz

Re: F1, 2022 - 25/04/22 04:53 PM

An excerpt from the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung about the plight of Mercedes, so it could mean a lost year:

It's not just fourth or thirteenth place finishes like at the Emilia Romagna Grand Prix that are giving the Mercedes drivers a hard time. Rather, it is real physical pain that torments George Russell and Lewis Hamilton.

"It's sometimes the case that the drivers need an osteopath to get everything back in order," reveals team boss Toto Wolff. As if to show solidarity himself, he adds after the latest disaster for the eight-time Constructors' World Champion: "I'll take the lashing for that."

"Not worthy of a world champion"

Already over pit radio, he immediately made amends to Lewis Hamilton: "Sorry, I know this car is undriveable." Later, he added to the general bewilderment at the relegation of the proud German-British factory racing team: "It's not worthy of a world champion."

Ferrari in the distance, Red Bull outdistanced, stuck in midfield. In the first appearance of the new generation of racing cars in Formula 1 on European soil, the Silver Arrows are still lagging behind. Above all, they are bouncing. The aerodynamic phenomenon known as "bouncing" or "porpoising" in technical jargon plagues almost all constructors; it is a consequence of the ground effect principle introduced this season.

But most other teams manage to minimize this ups and downs. Red Bull Racing turned a similar disaster into a double win within two weeks with a quick overhaul of its aerodynamics.

Mercedes faces a lost year

Of all things, the previous industry leader seems far removed from such technical miracles. Instead of the announced revenge for the loss of the drivers' title, the communication is now dominated by slogans of perseverance. At the company's headquarters in Brackley in central England, there are fears that the malaise could drag on until the end of the year.
In the worst case scenario, Mercedes could be facing a lost racing year, as Ferrari recently had to accept in order to regenerate. But no one is thinking of giving up yet; mental strength has always been part of Mercedes' dominance.

The car only works in the wind tunnel

In principle, the engineers can guess where the cause of the unbalanced W13 lies. Mercedes brings a car to the start that virtually dispenses with sidepods. Extremely slim equals extremely fast, that was the calculation for success. It's probably right, but only in the wind tunnel. The car doesn't bounce there either.

On the track, however, the aerodynamic trick seems to turn into the opposite. The car also has the narrowest underbody of all the race cars, and downforce is generated underneath the car. A disillusioned Lewis Hamilton admits: "When I was asked during testing what would happen if the concept didn't work, I flatly denied it: This team is not wrong. But now we have to accept that we might have been wrong."
Posted By: Image

Re: F1, 2022 - 25/04/22 05:18 PM

Relative spring rates front to rear will give porpoising ... wouldn't be at all surprised to find spring tweaks being used to tame this in the short term with aero mods being the long term fix.

K
Posted By: CooperMan

Re: F1, 2022 - 25/04/22 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Image
Relative spring rates front to rear will give porpoising ... wouldn't be at all surprised to find spring tweaks being used to tame this in the short term with aero mods being the long term fix.
K

Perhaps they need to fit an SSL Suplex kit and some adjustable AVO shockers innocent
Posted By: CooperMan

Re: F1, 2022 - 25/04/22 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Alistair

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I notice he misses the chance to double up on the advertising by covering his bouncer!

My decorating overalls look just like that, I never knew I'd become fashionable laugh2
Posted By: PJC

Re: F1, 2022 - 26/04/22 06:38 AM

What is definitely great to see this year in my opinion is:
1. More mid-field teams doing much better and getting in to the mix
2. Cars generally being able to follow much closer through the corners
3. Reduced field spread
4. Better wheel to wheel racing action right throughout the field

The question I continually ask myself is how two of the teams with the largest set of resources (Mercedes & Ferrari) can not have seen that their designs cause the porpoising when using complex and market-leading CFD and wind tunnels - bizarre!

Be interesting to see how the Red Bull continues to perform after this weekend there has been a noticeable change in reliability which has coincided with three factors that are not usually present:
A. The wet/damp track conditions - slightly less strain on the power unit and therefore running cooler
B. The cooler weekend air temperatures - denser air generating more power and placing less strain on the power unit and therefore running cooler
C. Max and Sergio generally running in clear, cooler air creating less strain on the power unit and therefore running cooler

I wonder therefore if the RB power unit's fragility has anything to do with operating temperature and whether this will continue to play a factor in the championship over the season. Without any such issues it definitely looks to be the most complete package at the moment.

One to watch - McLaren. It appears that there underlying car is good so with some subtle tweaks and development could be a good year for the Woking team. Fingers crossed!
Posted By: mph

Re: F1, 2022 - 26/04/22 08:21 AM

I thought the Red Bull issue was the fuel pump - not the power unit itself.

Either way Red Bull say it's been sorted.

I would never bet against a Honda power plant !
Posted By: Peter J

Re: F1, 2022 - 26/04/22 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Image
Relative spring rates front to rear will give porpoising ... wouldn't be at all surprised to find spring tweaks being used to tame this in the short term with aero mods being the long term fix.

K


Well, SSL sorted out the Morgan Nodding, so I'm certain that Peter Ballard could help Mercedes, using his years of experience and not complex, but unrealistic CFD and wind tunnel models.
Posted By: Burgundymog

Re: F1, 2022 - 26/04/22 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Image
Relative spring rates front to rear will give porpoising ... wouldn't be at all surprised to find spring tweaks being used to tame this in the short term with aero mods being the long term fix.

K


Cain could fix it englandwave
Posted By: TheCustomer

Re: F1, 2022 - 26/04/22 01:30 PM

Porpoising is fascinating - last seen in the ground effect era. I saw an interview with a designer from Williams in the early 80's (sorry, can't find the video) who explained it's difficult to model the motions, because they're front to rear as well as up & down.
Maybe Adrian Newey is old enough to remember the problem from early in the Red Bull's design, and avoid the problem?
McLaren seem to be on top of it too.
Ferrari & particularly Mercedes will work through it, but how long will it take? If Merc are bringing parts to Miami you'd hope they'll take a step forwards.

Sauber appear to have built a cracking car - one of the few on the initial weight limit: their challenge I guess will be to keep up with developments.

All in all the new rules seem to work - cars can follow closely enough through corners to overtake without DRS. They're just so darned big & heavy :-(

Will
Posted By: lowebird

Re: F1, 2022 - 26/04/22 02:45 PM

Sore throat, wine back in the rack, pizza ruined. "The Gangsta" has finally got a real job but I would,' let him paint my house and now he wants to part own Chelsea. I'll have to start following Spurs if that happens!!
Posted By: Alistair

Re: F1, 2022 - 26/04/22 04:00 PM

Reg you do make me laugh.
Posted By: PJC

Re: F1, 2022 - 27/04/22 09:02 AM

rofl
Posted By: IvorMog

Re: F1, 2022 - 07/05/22 12:15 PM

Miami P2 very interesting.

Mercedes (Russell) getting up to speed???
Red Bull still having reliability problems??
Sainz beginning to panic?

Qualy will tell us more but it would be great to have 3 teams at the front and battling it out.
Posted By: Peter J

Re: F1, 2022 - 07/05/22 05:22 PM

Indeed... I'm looking forward to Qualifying this evening! We need a good mix on the front 3 rows.
I suspect "Mr Saturday" will be up in the front....
Posted By: PaulyG

Re: F1, 2022 - 09/05/22 03:57 PM

Thoroughly enjoyed the racing. Ferrari needs to find a few more MPH to thwart Red Bull. I thought for sure Charles would get by him, but not to be. And Mercedes seems to have made some improvements, but has a ways to go yet.

Very surprised there weren't more black flags. Tricky track!

Not happy with the Americanization of the race ( And I am an American). Football helmets on the podium? And the police escort with sirens?
Posted By: PJC

Re: F1, 2022 - 10/05/22 07:26 AM

One of the best moments for me this weekend was during Martin Brundle's grid walk when he approached an interesting looking chap who he did not recognise and introduced himself being from Sky F1 and asked the gentlemen who he was. The response was "I am a social media sensation!" to which Martin replied "Well, thank you Sir and modest too!"
Posted By: Alistair

Re: F1, 2022 - 10/05/22 08:17 AM

Yes that was a bizzare grid walk and not a good omen for the future.

The concert the night before it started was terrible, it looked like a 60's party without mushrooms and acid apparently! Lots of careful camera angles to avoid showing it was a tiny crowd.

The grid walk was a mess. Venus Williams just blanked him. You could see the gaggle of sochul medier influencers everywhere. He could not move, I bet he had a few choice words off camera afterwards.

The best one for me was when he met Pharrell Williams who just insisted on repeatedly pointing out that he was here with Richard Mille (namecheck those sponsors like a bi!ch baby) so often it was embarrassing.

The actual race with cars was more interesting than I expected but they will need to upgrade the safety aspects. It was good to see them have to work harder off line and the passing places were a bit limited but still good with the unforced errors etc.

I do worry that the sport is headed for an overhaul on the marketing, PR and Influencer side which is going to make it a bit gawdy. Not long before we have cheerleaders and pop-ups on the screen like those old MTV videos.

Thank god for SkyQ, it makes it worth the monthly fee to be able to select which bit you want and FF the rest. Good result in the end. George played the long game and did it well.

Now Hamilton blathering on about the jewellery rules and being "I am bigger than the sport" is once again just unnecessary. That and walking to the grid half naked, which is still better than the paintball number he had last week. Oh how times change. Am I stadler or walldorf ?
Posted By: Peter J

Re: F1, 2022 - 10/05/22 09:35 AM

I was hugely disappointed by the Miami event: shallow sums it up.
A pointless grid walk amongst pointless people, unimpressive race with insufficient camera positions and as a result too many long shots.
If this is the shape of things to come I will go elsewhere for my enjoyment.
Posted By: DavidR

Re: F1, 2022 - 10/05/22 11:16 AM

Peter, you have summed it up perfectly there as shallow as the water all those boats were "floating?" on I'd say.

I also couldn't believe the football helmets on the podium too, I suppose we should just be happy they weren't expected to race in them as well!
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 10/05/22 11:31 AM

The only way I can endure it is to record it and FF everything apart from lights out to flag drop, I have grown so weary of the commentators preamble crap tbh I can no longer suffer it grin2

As for the grid walk it seems as relevant as William and Kates visit to the colonies - it's over lets move on.

Probably the most unimaginative race track ever, just abysmal and the B & Q car park comment was spot on whoever said it. PaulyG no offence intended thumbs
Posted By: TheCustomer

Re: F1, 2022 - 10/05/22 04:09 PM

yup, a bit too much razzamataz for my taste, but then I'd be european!

Highlights... Zac Brown offering Mario Andretti a drive!
George Russell...
Ocon and Mick S, and the Astons had great drives from the back of the field - combinations of good strategy & speed when it was needed. TV coverage didn't help with following what was going on though.
But that was about it for Miami.

Looking ahead, though Mercedes are still working to understand their car, we're * * this close to a 3 way/ 6 car fight at the front.
The Barcelona upgrades for Merc & Ferrari are going to be interesting, on a smooth track that the teams know very well: this year's cars will be able to follow each other through bends, so the race might not be the usual procession.
Posted By: lowebird

Re: F1, 2022 - 15/05/22 09:46 AM

Chaps, yes I totally agree however you must remember that it was in the USA and they have a totally different way of doing things. Unfortunately with F1 being run by Americans we can only expect more of this sort of rubbish. Why oh why do we have to put up with these so called celebrities' walking around just raising their profile. As a life long F1 fan, I just hate all that nonsense. It will be very interesting if F1 ever returns to RSA but now on to important topics, will Ferrari alter their wing angle to get a little more top speed at the potential cost of loosing a little grip----I wonder?
Posted By: Alistair

Re: F1, 2022 - 20/05/22 04:54 PM

For those lovers of the Red F1 team.

I present your next road car. (in all of our dreams)

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-spottedykywt/one-of-31-ferrari-enzo-for-sale/45701?

Hint look at the photo showing the underside of the engine cover.
Posted By: lowebird

Re: F1, 2022 - 21/05/22 09:17 AM

Well, you know where I would be Alistair if I had the readies. Perhaps I could just put in a cheeky offer for the engine cover. As much as I like the Enzo, none of the "modern" Ferraris will ever match up to the 250SWB of a 275 GTB4 in the sheer looks department. A bit like no Morgan will ever look better IMHO than the Aero Super Sport in Purple with the silver targa roof panels.
Posted By: Jon G4LJW

Re: F1, 2022 - 21/05/22 10:35 AM

I think I would prefer the P4 or Dino.
Posted By: DaveW

Re: F1, 2022 - 21/05/22 10:40 AM

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In the context of when this was designed, a time of no frills functionality, this shape takes some beating.
Posted By: A11OGE

Re: F1, 2022 - 21/05/22 11:44 AM

shades

Originally Posted by DaveW
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In the context of when this was designed, a time of no frills functionality, this shape takes some beating.
Posted By: lowebird

Re: F1, 2022 - 21/05/22 03:19 PM

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In the context of when this was designed, a time of no frills functionality, this shape takes some beating.[/quote

Can't disagree with you there Dave. As an aside, there is a very interesting article in the current Magneto about the re birth of Bizzarrini and it was Giotto that masterminded the 250 SWB and the 250 GTO amongst others.
Posted By: aerotaff

Re: F1, 2022 - 28/05/22 04:42 PM

Monaco is Monaco but I think a new Dawn has arrived in F1, Le Clerk deserves a win on home turf great to see the youngsters mixing it up. And to the doubters and there were quite a few George is the real deal.....
Posted By: lowebird

Re: F1, 2022 - 30/05/22 12:07 PM

Well Ferrari were at it again, and not for the first time!! Sign a great driver, build him a fantastic car then screw it all up by faffing about. I think Charles showed great composure on the tele but I can't help but think some Italian ears were bent off screen. It is really hard being a Ferrari fan but I supose I should be used to it by now. On a more positive note, isn't George proving he is worth his place. Great to see him doing so well and beating "The Gangsta" at every chance.
Posted By: DavidR

Re: F1, 2022 - 30/05/22 05:44 PM

As you say Reg, great to see young George going so well. I just hope we don't get any inter teammate shenanigans as the season progresses.
Posted By: Alistair

Re: F1, 2022 - 30/05/22 06:32 PM

I suspect next years negotiations at AMG are going to be quite different now. I thought George would be good but he has also been consistently quick, smart and PR gold as well. Excellent. No tie & dye outfits or metal bits hanging out of him. Looking forward to seeing how that goes. Anyone want a bet that Hamilton aims to get into a Ferrari seat?
Posted By: aerotaff

Re: F1, 2022 - 30/05/22 07:31 PM

It was painful to hear Leclerc on the radio and a very good interview afterwords there's a very old head on those young shoulders. Ferrari need to up their game if they want to keep him.....
Posted By: PaulyG

Re: F1, 2022 - 31/05/22 02:00 PM

I have always loved Monaco for the history, but I think it just doesn't work as a Formula One track in the modern age. Watching the freight train go around has lost it's appeal.
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 31/05/22 02:04 PM

Yup totally I've seen more exciting marble alleys doh, and Alonso playing silly buggers purely to spite Hamilton was not his finest hour.

Perez signing on for two years is good he is a very likeable and talented boy.
I look forward to him, Leclerc and Sainz having some great racing together.

Posted By: lowebird

Re: F1, 2022 - 31/05/22 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Alistair
I suspect next years negotiations at AMG are going to be quite different now. I thought George would be good but he has also been consistently quick, smart and PR gold as well. Excellent. No tie & dye outfits or metal bits hanging out of him. Looking forward to seeing how that goes. Anyone want a bet that Hamilton aims to get into a Ferrari seat?


Alistair, how could you? What on earth would I do if The Gangsta jined my team. I supose there is always Alfa!!
Posted By: Alistair

Re: F1, 2022 - 31/05/22 03:21 PM

Never said I liked the idea reg!
Posted By: TheCustomer

Re: F1, 2022 - 31/05/22 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by +8Rich
Yup totally I've seen more exciting marble alleys doh, and Alonso playing silly buggers purely to spite Hamilton was not his finest hour.

Perez signing on for two years is good he is a very likeable and talented boy.
I look forward to him, Leclerc and Sainz having some great racing together.



Well spotted +8Rich - so, no seats next year at Red Bull, Ferrari, or Merc (unless Lewis retires, which would be a surprise).
Slots up for grab at Alpha Tauri, Aston, Alpine, Haas & Williams?
(Gasly, Vettel, Alonso, Shumacher, Latifi?)

We're well on the way to a 6-way battle at the front for the rest of the season... Mercedes are going to get closer in qualifying as each race passes, and their race pace is now there or thereabouts. And with both drivers - who'd have thought George would be 5-3 up in qualifying, and ahead on points?!
https://gpracingstats.com/seasons/2022-world-championship/qualifying-stats/
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 31/05/22 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by TheCustomer
Originally Posted by +8Rich
Yup totally I've seen more exciting marble alleys doh, and Alonso playing silly buggers purely to spite Hamilton was not his finest hour.

Perez signing on for two years is good he is a very likeable and talented boy.
I look forward to him, Leclerc and Sainz having some great racing together.



Well spotted +8Rich - so, no seats next year at Red Bull, Ferrari, or Merc (unless Lewis retires, which would be a surprise).
Slots up for grab at Alpha Tauri, Aston, Alpine, Haas & Williams?
(Gasly, Vettel, Alonso, Shumacher, Latifi?)

We're well on the way to a 6-way battle at the front for the rest of the season... Mercedes are going to get closer in qualifying as each race passes, and their race pace is now there or thereabouts. And with both drivers - who'd have thought George would be 5-3 up in qualifying, and ahead on points?!
https://gpracingstats.com/seasons/2022-world-championship/qualifying-stats/



Yes George has been the man on the move in a sluggish car for sure, Le Clerc has had some bad luck but he is also very impressive in a good car and a nice cool character, he reminds me a bit of Prost, a real thinker.
Posted By: PaulyG

Re: F1, 2022 - 31/05/22 05:07 PM

Sluggish though the Merc may be, to George it probably feels amazing compared to the Williams car. At this level the mind is a very powerful player. Georges head is the right place.
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 31/05/22 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by PaulyG
Sluggish though the Merc may be, to George it probably feels amazing compared to the Williams car. At this level the mind is a very powerful player. Georges head is the right place.

Good point, he is super hungry too and maybe Hamilton has lost his appetite after last years final race debacle where he will always be the moral victor and Verstappen the pretend champion.
Posted By: SimonH

Re: F1, 2022 - 31/05/22 08:20 PM

I think you’ll find that Lewis is taking the lead with setup changes , to try and find the cars sweet spot

His ex race engineer is one of my customers….
Posted By: PJC

Re: F1, 2022 - 10/06/22 07:49 AM

I agree with Simon H and Pauly G - Lewis really needs to get the car "Working" for him and that in turn will get his head back in the game - the second half of the season will be exciting particularly as Mercedes always seem to do better in the latter half of the year anyway.
Posted By: lowebird

Re: F1, 2022 - 12/06/22 08:06 AM

After yesterdays Qually, the Pillastro is warming gently on the window sill. Fingers crossed that they don't cock it up again !!!
Posted By: Alistair

Re: F1, 2022 - 12/06/22 08:45 AM

Lets hope the safety car domino's fall in their favour for a change given this track
Posted By: Peter J

Re: F1, 2022 - 12/06/22 01:48 PM

Wasn't a bad race.

About as good a result for Mercedes as was possible, but I was worried by the way Hamilton struggled to get out of his car. SWMBO moves like that when her lower spine is causing her pain, but she is a bit older than Lewis. Her back has been damaged by falling off horses, the damage is cumulative. The FIA have to sort out the problem before a driver is told by the medics to stop driving.

I feel for Ferrari, 4 out of the 6 ferrari powered cars DNF.
Posted By: lowebird

Re: F1, 2022 - 13/06/22 08:03 AM

Pillastro back in the rack!!! I think I will need to go back to lemonade. Was this just a false dawn for Ferrari? After all they looked so good at the start of the season. Most unusual for one of their engines to give up like that along with the other Ferrari powered cars. There could be some blood shed in Maranello today.
Posted By: Burgundymog

Re: F1, 2022 - 13/06/22 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by lowebird
Pillastro back in the rack!!! I think I will need to go back to lemonade. Was this just a false dawn for Ferrari? After all they looked so good at the start of the season. Most unusual for one of their engines to give up like that along with the other Ferrari powered cars. There could be some blood shed in Maranello today.


Reg I thought of you and wondered after the 2 reds retired wether you would be Pillastro'd off hide
Posted By: TheCustomer

Re: F1, 2022 - 13/06/22 02:03 PM


If you were team manger, as a rule of thumb you'd prefer to be trying to make a fast car reliable (Ferrari) than a reliable car fast (Mercedes).

The bumpy road surface seemed to produce more proposing in many cars, and still almost none in the Red Bulls.

Canada used to be thought of as a bumpy track, because *winters*... iirc there was some resurfacing in recent years: is it enough to help the porpoising cars?

Have to say I was impressed by Vettel - and equally unimpressed by Stroll.

Will
Posted By: lowebird

Re: F1, 2022 - 14/06/22 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Burgundymog
Originally Posted by lowebird
Pillastro back in the rack!!! I think I will need to go back to lemonade. Was this just a false dawn for Ferrari? After all they looked so good at the start of the season. Most unusual for one of their engines to give up like that along with the other Ferrari powered cars. There could be some blood shed in Maranello today.


Reg I thought of you and wondered after the 2 reds retired wether you would be Pillastro'd off hide


I certainly was Keith to the extent that I have just ordered a case of nice McLaren Vale so as to sympathize with Daniel.
Posted By: aerotaff

Re: F1, 2022 - 16/06/22 05:54 PM

This new directive today is going to hurt Ferrari and Merc big time but well done FIA protecting the drivers must be a priority......
Posted By: PaulyG

Re: F1, 2022 - 11/07/22 12:05 AM

Bringing back this thread

Enjoyed the Austrian GP. Carlos engine blow up is something you don't see very often these days. Looked like cluster trying to figure out how to stop the car and get out without the car rolling away.

And a good result for Mercedes. They are definitely moving in the right direction, but have a little way to go.

And congrats to Charles. He looked very dominant. I even wore my hat in celebration. We'll, sort of wink

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Posted By: Peter J

Re: F1, 2022 - 11/07/22 09:34 AM

A good race indeed, the winner was, if I may say so, Formula 1!

I feel for the Ferrari technicians stripping down that car and power unit to find out what failed first, the fire appeared to be mostly on the RHS. It was spectacular as bits of metal were ejected from the back and side of the car.
Posted By: aerotaff

Re: F1, 2022 - 11/07/22 09:50 AM

A very well deserved win for Charles, if Ferrari can keep it together Leclerc is a very likeable man on a mission at the moment. Trouble is you know at some point there will be another big cock up but then thats Ferrari and Formula1 got to love the Italians.
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 24/07/22 03:03 PM

Great race - a shame the prancing horse team hobbled themselves once more doh

I trust those that wrote Mercedes off and in particular Lewis, enjoyed the race wine laugh2
Posted By: Peter J

Re: F1, 2022 - 25/07/22 10:35 AM

Essay Question:
Compare and contrast the style and effectiveness of pit wall and driver management between Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferrari between 2019/20 and 2022/23 Seasons.......
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 30/07/22 04:53 PM

Pole sitter in Hungary George Russell - well done you have truly arrived. full story.. Lando 4th..

Verstoppen the pretender 10th sounds good and Ferrari in with a shout.
Posted By: aerotaff

Re: F1, 2022 - 31/07/22 04:49 PM

Le clerc has had 16 pole positions sorry but Ferrari are messing the young guy up, good day for merc and a solid drive for verstroppy....
Posted By: TheCustomer

Re: F1, 2022 - 31/07/22 05:43 PM

Interesting to see Adrian Newey on the podium... surely Red Bull don't think that's the last win for a while, what with the regulation changes in Spa...
Posted By: lowebird

Re: F1, 2022 - 02/08/22 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by aerotaff
Le clerc has had 16 pole positions sorry but Ferrari are messing the young guy up, good day for merc and a solid drive for verstroppy....


Couldn't agree with you more. They really, really need a better team on the pit wall. Even I could see that hard tyres at that point in the race were as good as saying, we don't want to win. I understand the thought that it might have rained but the best way to go was surely soft, medium then soft. Hey hobbled themselves from the start with two sets of mediums. Good job they now have a hioliday but they have really screwed Charles' chance of a shot at the championship for this year. Now, what about Alonso going to AM, I didn't see that comming, any good reason for the move, he can't want any more money and he is going to get really bored touring around at the tail end of the pack. Remember the famous deck chair scene whilst he was at Mclaren.
Posted By: CooperMan

Re: F1, 2022 - 02/08/22 02:16 PM

I can see the agency advert now..."Experienced strategist required, placement at renowned international company with the opportunity for worldwide travel - immediate start available" innocent
Posted By: Alistair

Re: F1, 2022 - 02/08/22 03:03 PM

Yes they have started to show signs of delivering daft errors but some have been from Charles who is clearly seriously committed to making it a success. I admire both of their drivers and the teams efforts this year. It takes a lot to turn a team around at that level.

I agree re the hard tyres. I was half expecting the strategist to be installed as part of the safety fence after that one.

I think the driving of Lewis, Verstappen and young George was great during that race. AMG have definitely improved significantly during the season, the sign of real pro's in the factory.

I do not get the Alonso move. Unless his pay includes shares in the team just prior to it being sold off (again) to the Saudi's alongside the car factory. I guess he can bring a lot to help raise the overall levels in the track side and development teams as he is a smart cookie.

Great season after the last few years.
Posted By: aerotaff

Re: F1, 2022 - 02/08/22 03:37 PM

In a sport where a tenth of a second per lap is key Benito said the tyres would have made little difference or words to that effect. All the pundits and drivers disagree so Benito must be right Oh his star driver is also wrong you can't make these things up really. As for Alonso he needs to buy Vettel a big drink Aston was the only place open to him, it will be interesting to see Fernando and daddy Stroll lock horns. Mercedes are getting their act together after the summer brake it could turn out to be a corker of a season.
Posted By: PaulyG

Re: F1, 2022 - 03/08/22 01:12 AM

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Posted By: PaulyG

Re: F1, 2022 - 03/08/22 01:31 AM

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Posted By: aerotaff

Re: F1, 2022 - 03/08/22 12:09 PM

Very good Paul....
Posted By: PaulyG

Re: F1, 2022 - 03/08/22 02:09 PM

I cannot take credit. Just passing them along.
Posted By: Alistair

Re: F1, 2022 - 03/08/22 03:07 PM

So sad.

But very funny all the same.
Posted By: MATTMOG

Re: F1, 2022 - 03/08/22 05:28 PM

+1
Posted By: aerotaff

Re: F1, 2022 - 03/08/22 05:55 PM

Hang on more clowns in the pack. Fernando the only driver in F1 to piss on his chips on the way up and on the way down signs for Aston without having the decency to inform Alpine when they offered him a career saving drive over a year ago. To save a bit of face they then inform the media that Piastri will drive for them next year only no one told Piastri he said no no no no mate. Got to love F1 I know what Gunter would say a bunch of F,,,,,g cowboys....We await the next instalment.
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 03/08/22 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by PaulyG
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Very good Paul - glad they changed the Michael Masi one at last rofl
Posted By: lowebird

Re: F1, 2022 - 04/08/22 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by PaulyG
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Oh, that was brilliant, I almost spilt my tea. All that was missing was the donkey. Well posted good Sir!!
Posted By: lowebird

Re: F1, 2022 - 04/08/22 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by PaulyG
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Oh, another brillaint post. Being a Ferrari fan, it's good to have something to laugh at. Well done!!
Posted By: PaulyG

Re: F1, 2022 - 04/08/22 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by aerotaff
Hang on more clowns in the pack. Fernando the only driver in F1 to piss on his chips on the way up and on the way down signs for Aston without having the decency to inform Alpine when they offered him a career saving drive over a year ago. To save a bit of face they then inform the media that Piastri will drive for them next year only no one told Piastri he said no no no no mate. Got to love F1 I know what Gunter would say a bunch of F,,,,,g cowboys....We await the next instalment.



It seems to me this silly season is much more silly than in the past.
Posted By: lowebird

Re: F1, 2022 - 04/08/22 02:38 PM

Good job they have all gone off for a well deserved break. Perhaps when the circus returns, the main players will have been taking their meds and things will regain some equilibrium, or maybe we like it like this afterall it is only a form of entertainment ( unless you are a Ferrari fan then it's more important that that!! )
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 18/08/22 12:00 PM

Looks like Red Bull principle is enjoying family downtime in Chelsea on Sea.
Lets hope he picks up on the chilled vibe in Devon and takes some back track side guru
Posted By: PaulyG

Re: F1, 2022 - 18/08/22 03:32 PM

This is news?

I hate hero worship. I treat everyone the same. I certainly don't think people, acting like people, is news.
Posted By: DaveW

Re: F1, 2022 - 18/08/22 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by PaulyG
This is news?

I hate hero worship. I treat everyone the same. I certainly don't think people, acting like people, is news.


Totally agree. These celebrities are just as flawed as the rest of us, and money often amplifies that. But this might be the biggest story in Salcombe for ten years.
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 18/08/22 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by PaulyG
This is news?

I hate hero worship. I treat everyone the same. I certainly don't think people, acting like people, is news.

It is an example of how he can behave correctly - well politely with his family and the general public. The youngsters recognised Geri the Spice Girl they wouldn't even know who he was I suspect grin2
I just see him as a total bully when he is at work and spoilt rotten by those fawning around him. Can't stand the man.

Our area has a very high percentage of visiting and home owning so called celebrities and one of the reasons is people generally let them get on living a normal life as tbh you have to do something "worthwhile" as part of the community to impress down here not have great fame and fortune, they do not impress anyone in our county.
Posted By: PaulyG

Re: F1, 2022 - 18/08/22 06:04 PM

Our area is the same. I have been to many of their homes, and I never make a big deal about it. Just have some polite conversation. Most are very nice.
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 18/08/22 06:08 PM

Yup all they want is acceptance without privilege for the most part.
Posted By: aerotaff

Re: F1, 2022 - 19/08/22 08:19 AM

Let's forget about ginger and winger in Devon, is Zhou going to split the mid fields quite a talent I think. Piastri might be having a few sleepnes nights and Webber a bit of paddock respect.......
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 19/08/22 08:48 AM

A bit sad that it looks like the sunny Daniel Ricardo won't get a drive next year if what I read is true, he is a great ambassador for the sport.

Zero input from the little Eddie Irishman would be a bonus.
Posted By: aerotaff

Re: F1, 2022 - 19/08/22 09:09 AM

Eddie is not on very much these days, like him or not he always has his finger on the pulse never sits on the fence and asks questions others are afraid too. Poor old Daniel will get a multi million pound payout for underachievement probably more than Lando's contract. You have to feel a bit sorry for Alpine having your chips pissed on twice.......
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 19/08/22 09:16 AM

I was surprised at the Alonso move, I thought he had done well with the car, he can hardly have aspirations of a championship can he..
Posted By: PaulyG

Re: F1, 2022 - 19/08/22 11:11 AM

He hasn't had a great record of making good car changes. Hopefully this one will work out better for him.
Posted By: Alistair

Re: F1, 2022 - 19/08/22 11:12 AM

I guess they are buying his development and technical experience to help them move forwards with all the rules changes, as you say quite a surprise on first thoughts.

I did like listen to the interviews in the paddock when Eddie would drop a bomb. I would love to see a joint interview with the "say-it-like-it-is" club one day.
Posted By: aerotaff

Re: F1, 2022 - 19/08/22 11:54 AM

I think it was Frank Williams once said of Nigel Mansel he would be missed as a driver not as a man and the same will be said of Alonso. Caused grief everywhere he went there will be a deffo bust up with Mr Stroll at some point.....
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 19/08/22 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Alistair
I guess they are buying his development and technical experience to help them move forwards with all the rules changes, as you say quite a surprise on first thoughts.

I did like listen to the interviews in the paddock when Eddie would drop a bomb. I would love to see a joint interview with the "say-it-like-it-is" club one day.




I totally understand the old boy skills he has can bring to the team, not exactly charm personified is he.

I'll never forget Michael Schumachers move to a totally losing Ferrari team, he picked them up and led them through his expertise in translating the car into development and winning.
I was never a fan of his but I did respect him for his immense skills.
Posted By: TheCustomer

Re: F1, 2022 - 19/08/22 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by +8Rich
Originally Posted by Alistair
I guess they are buying his development and technical experience to help them move forwards with all the rules changes, as you say quite a surprise on first thoughts.

I did like listen to the interviews in the paddock when Eddie would drop a bomb. I would love to see a joint interview with the "say-it-like-it-is" club one day.




I totally understand the old boy skills he has can bring to the team, not exactly charm personified is he.

I'll never forget Michael Schumachers move to a totally losing Ferrari team, he picked them up and led them through his expertise in translating the car into development and winning.
I was never a fan of his but I did respect him for his immense skills.



Indeed, and it took Todt, Brawn, Byrne from '96 to 2000 win a championship. Is Stroll that patient?
Posted By: Alistair

Re: F1, 2022 - 19/08/22 06:18 PM

Given how deep AM (road and track sides) are in funding I believe the decision my not be his either.
Posted By: lowebird

Re: F1, 2022 - 24/08/22 01:03 PM

Hooray, it all starts again this weekend but what will be the outcome of the musical chairs that Seb has set in motion by merely saying he was going to retire. I see that some of the track at Spa has been re profiled and some new tarmac laid, that might make things a bit interesting but for now I am dreaming of a Ferrai 1,2.
Posted By: IvorMog

Re: F1, 2022 - 24/08/22 01:07 PM

And will the floor reg changes affect Red Bull's relative pace?
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 25/08/22 01:54 PM

Fresh in from one of my son in laws laugh2

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Posted By: PaulyG

Re: F1, 2022 - 25/08/22 01:57 PM

lol
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 27/08/22 05:10 PM

This should be a very interesting race after practise results and the grid penalties have been applied.
Posted By: PaulyG

Re: F1, 2022 - 29/08/22 12:08 PM

No one is stopping Max this year.
Posted By: Gordon D

Re: F1, 2022 - 29/08/22 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by PaulyG
No one is stopping Max this year.

True, and he'll do it on merit this time along with a good car and good team behind him.
Posted By: sospan

Re: F1, 2022 - 29/08/22 12:31 PM

This year is huge for Max. He is winning without controversy and showing his skill/car combination. His car looks phenomenal. Adrian Newey genius coming through.
Ferrari need a good tactician. They have stumbled too many times with some baffling decisions.
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 29/08/22 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Gordon D
Originally Posted by PaulyG
No one is stopping Max this year.

True, and he'll do it on merit this time along with a good car and good team behind him.

Yes it made the Mexican look pretty stupid didn't it.
And the hobbled donkeys team were at it again..
Miscalculation by Hamilton so he crashed out hurt..

Sainz and Russel had good drives.
Posted By: PaulyG

Re: F1, 2022 - 30/08/22 11:40 AM

For some reason I am expecting Sainz to not be very good, but he usually is. Russell is definitely the right stuff.
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 30/08/22 02:41 PM

Likewise, it was good to see his Dad in the pits enjoying his sons good day at the office. Somehow the Monogasque gets all the limelight but Sainz carries a formidable gene pool and could well whoop his ass in the end if he is allowed to.
Posted By: GParkins

Re: F1, 2022 - 31/08/22 03:18 PM

This one hit me hard, right in the funny bone:

https://twitter.com/ImaraSEB5/status/1564796135289810944
Posted By: aerotaff

Re: F1, 2022 - 03/09/22 03:22 PM

The top three teams need not worry for the moment but its now official, look out Lando Piastri is coming.....
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 04/09/22 03:17 PM


This appeared on Faceache this morning.

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Posted By: Peter J

Re: F1, 2022 - 04/09/22 06:08 PM

My thought exactly....

Good race, I have to say.
Even though the wrong man was the winner.
Posted By: Heinz

Re: F1, 2022 - 04/09/22 07:34 PM

Who is the right man?
Posted By: GrumpyPa

Re: F1, 2022 - 04/09/22 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Heinz
Who is the right man?

Probably means LH. I do, however, think it a bit unfair when the SC comes out. All the cars then bunch up, so any significant lead the leader has worked for is negated. Not sure of a solution though
Posted By: Burgundymog

Re: F1, 2022 - 05/09/22 07:23 AM

Max is the better driver, had a better car and his team played it better. LH is getting too old and should retire gracefully IMHO.
Posted By: Heinz

Re: F1, 2022 - 05/09/22 09:45 AM

Too old? Also Alonso still drives good.



and me🙄
Posted By: Gordon D

Re: F1, 2022 - 05/09/22 09:52 AM

I wouldn't dismiss Lewis just yet, although Max appears to have come of age this season. Lewis might be older but also vastly more experienced driving up front, just give him a competitive car and a few good strategy decisions and watch him go!
Posted By: Luddite

Re: F1, 2022 - 05/09/22 10:20 AM

I think I read somewhere that in training to become a racing driver Max`d dad told him never to overtake on the straights, in order that he sharpend his overtaking skills on the tricky bits of the track... It seems to have worked out rather well..?
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 05/09/22 10:27 AM

Don't do as I do - do as I say then laugh2

Lets hope he wins his first legitimate Championship this year then.

Oh and then another six he can say he is at least on equal terms with Lewis Hamilton then - one swallow doesn't make a summer innocent

Not a fan of LH off track but he is an impressive consistent racer over many years and unlike Alonso still has the talent.
Posted By: GrumpyPa

Re: F1, 2022 - 05/09/22 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by +8Rich
Don't do as I do - do as I say then laugh2

Lets hope he wins his first legitimate Championship this year then.

Oh and then another six he can say he is at least on equal terms with Lewis Hamilton then - one swallow doesn't make a summer innocent

Not a fan of LH off track but he is an impressive consistent racer over many years and unlike Alonso still has the talent.


Well said
Posted By: Peter J

Re: F1, 2022 - 05/09/22 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Heinz
Who is the right man?


The young pretender, Mr Russell.
Posted By: Alistair

Re: F1, 2022 - 05/09/22 04:51 PM

Yes George is an interesting blend of several of them.

A mature head
Young and keen, willing to pick difficult overtaking places on occaision
Tactical (came in early for soft tyres at his request)
Chooses his moment
Friendly to all for a long term plan

I think we have yet to see the best of him.
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 05/09/22 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Alistair
Yes George is an interesting blend of several of them.


I hadn't realised they were cloning them grin2 very Leon Uris QBV11
Posted By: Peter J

Re: F1, 2022 - 05/09/22 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Alistair
Yes George is an interesting blend of several of them.
.............I think we have yet to see the best of him.


Absolutely.
He has everything needed to step up, I would like to see him win a race this year.
Posted By: CooperMan

Re: F1, 2022 - 05/09/22 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Peter J
Originally Posted by Alistair
Yes George is an interesting blend of several of them.
.............I think we have yet to see the best of him.


Absolutely.
He has everything needed to step up, I would like to see him win a race this year.



Agreed, it would be well deserved
Posted By: lowebird

Re: F1, 2022 - 06/09/22 09:00 AM

I am keeping a very low profile at the moment as my beloved team are proving to be a bunch of ( well you know what!! ) All the stupid mistakes allied to a car that seems to have gone off the boil come race day. I am putting my faith in the up coming race at Monza where, if they don't perform I can see heads rolling and that would be no bad thing!!
Posted By: aerotaff

Re: F1, 2022 - 09/09/22 02:36 PM

Reg. Friday afternoon and Leclerc and Sainz one two but on sunday anything can happen. Charles deserves a big break.....
Posted By: Alistair

Re: F1, 2022 - 09/09/22 03:27 PM

It looked like there was going to be a two way fight at the start of the season RB and F. Now it seems to be going back to RB and AMG. It does seem they are swapping forward gears for reverse. As you say the Stasi are likely to be hiding in the back of the garage this weekend.
Posted By: Peter J

Re: F1, 2022 - 10/09/22 10:23 AM

I shall not miss the Qualifying.
Or the race.
Posted By: lowebird

Re: F1, 2022 - 10/09/22 02:45 PM

I have just un corked a bottle of Pilastro to give it time to breath then at 18.30, I will start to hope!!!
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 11/09/22 09:57 AM

innocent Go Charles go - and finish smile

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Posted By: Peter J

Re: F1, 2022 - 11/09/22 10:42 AM

The first corner could have been interesting with some fast drivers at the back....but in the end it was a good race.
There needs to be a re-think in the use of a pace car in the last 5 laps. If the race had been stopped when Riccardo stopped we could have had a 4 lap blast, with everyone on red wall tyres. As it was it was a bit of a damp squib.

Russell continues to impress.
Posted By: PaulyG

Re: F1, 2022 - 12/09/22 01:56 AM

Lots of promise of a close battle for the lead, but Max is untouchable
Posted By: lowebird

Re: F1, 2022 - 12/09/22 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by +8Rich
innocent Go Charles go - and finish smile

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Rich, what a great poster that would make, it reminds me of my visit to the Ferrari Museum where all the cars are on show. As for the race, once again Max was brilliant and untouchable but what a ridiculous finish. A lot more work needed to put the Ferrais back to thier winning was but at least my liver is getting a reprieve!!
Posted By: aerotaff

Re: F1, 2022 - 23/09/22 09:43 AM

I never knew Gunter Steiner was a mechanic for Colin Mcrae and Carlos Sainz snr he obviously Knows his way around a tool box. Hot off the press though,Latiffi is off at the end of the season.
Posted By: PaulyG

Re: F1, 2022 - 23/09/22 11:55 AM

Not surprised. Nicholas just could never seem to deliver.
Posted By: lowebird

Re: F1, 2022 - 01/10/22 10:39 AM

Well, we are back racing again. I had a bottle of Barolo last night in readyness for the race ( a 2016 ,not the best year, thats 2015 ) however, in deference to the Honey Badger, I have ordered a case of Aussie Red in the hope that the later half of the season gives him a pleasant send off.
As for my team, well I can only live in hope but I fear the championship is now a foregone conclusion but there is always next year----the times I have said that!!!
Posted By: Gordon D

Re: F1, 2022 - 01/10/22 08:41 PM

One of the best qualifying sessions of the season I thought. I'm not fussed who does it but someone needs to stop Max taking the title tomorrow to prevent a drab end to the season IMHO.
Mind you, he might win it only to see it taken away because Red Bull broke the budget rules. That really would be poetic justice after last season!!!
Posted By: Alistair

Re: F1, 2022 - 01/10/22 09:24 PM

Well assuming this is now a script per season I am going to bet that he will not have enough dodo juice in the tank so will be sent to the back of the grid. Then the overspend thing will kick off and they will be docked 60 points......
Posted By: +8Rich

Re: F1, 2022 - 01/10/22 09:59 PM

Ok I'll go for RB over the cap and the pretenders last years title gets redistributed to where it morally belongs - FIA feels better about it's piss poor performance last year and RB carries a penalty into the current year due to the development carry over advantage.

Horner is looking like a cornered rat to me in his recent interviews.
Posted By: Alistair

Re: F1, 2022 - 01/10/22 10:40 PM

Yup, the body language in the interviews screamed "play this down, nothing to see, move on" way to controlled, he's nervous ? I am certain they all play the edges but we will see.
Posted By: Ewan

Re: F1, 2022 - 02/10/22 05:36 AM

Christian must know he’s in trouble with money, that’s why he only gave Max a fiver from petty cash for petrol.

I’d love to see a Ferrari win, or Lewis just to prove he still has it, he could well do with the boost.
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