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Question on Roadster 3.0 engine

Posted By: MarcelT

Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 11/09/19 06:06 AM

Not that it would change the fun I´m having with my Roadster, but out of interest and some discussion with the regulatory authorities I would like to know what engine type I have in my Roadster Sport, model year 2010.
Depending on where I look(official authority papers, delivery order, bill of sale from German Morgan dealer, David Wellings excellent book), I can choose if the engine has 204 / 220 / 226 / 231 HP. This also was up for discussion with the authorities, as per papers the car has a top speed of 250 km/h (no, it does definitely not), 230 HP and a vehicle payload of 80kg (well… this gives good reason to drive alone ;-) ). Anyway, concentrating on the engine:
The Roadster was delivered through a German Morgan dealer in July 2010, reportedly has the Ford Escape engine - but not sure if it´s a series 2 or 3, as it seems to fall exactly (as per David Wellings Journal) in the period of engine change, where power was increased again from 204HP to 226 (or what?).
Any way to find out about the type?

Thanks,
Marcel
Posted By: xc68anc

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 11/09/19 06:12 AM

I think you can ask the factory for more details.

For more power there are a lot dealers in Britain for to cure the problem. A good thing is a membership in the Morgan Sports Car Club (the British - what else?) there get a great monthly magazine, also the Magazine MOG shows nice things.

Greets René
Posted By: CooperMan

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 11/09/19 08:20 AM

Marcel, if you supply your unique engine number to Power Torque Engineering Ltd, in Coventry, UK, they should be able to give you an accurate answer as they are the OE supplier of Ford engines to the Factory

Good luck
Posted By: Stewart S

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 11/09/19 09:21 AM

Marcel
I’m no massive authority but from what I know (I have the S2 Roadster 2008) the Roadster Sport was the launch model for the Series 3 engine in 2010

Same ‘Escape’ USA engine as the S2 but uprated in power

Other differences were slightly wider front axle and wider exhaust manifold
Posted By: meabh

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 11/09/19 12:34 PM

Marcel,
I think Stuart is right here. I have a Nov 2010 Escape engined car, S3.
Posted By: Stewart S

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 11/09/19 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Stewart S
Marcel
I’m no massive authority but from what I know (I have the S2 Roadster 2008) the Roadster Sport was the launch model for the Series 3 engine in 2010

Same ‘Escape’ USA engine as the S2 but uprated in power

Other differences were slightly wider front axle and wider exhaust manifold


So what I meant by this is, because yours is called the Roadster SPORT, it will be the S3
Posted By: MarcelT

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 11/09/19 02:16 PM

Thanks guys, that helps a lot...! And exactly the information you can't read anywhere...
Posted By: DaveW

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 11/09/19 02:37 PM

Yeah Stewart is on the money.

The wider front frame and Roadster Sport are the key. The first Roadster Sport was at the Buxton Mog in 2010.
Posted By: meabh

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 11/09/19 04:55 PM

Remember Marcel, moving the air intake over the radiator is good for 12bhp extra -so they say.
Posted By: Heinz

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 11/09/19 05:05 PM

The Roadster Sport was claimed to deliver 230 HP due to bigger diameter manifold pipes than the S2 model with 204 HP. Also the Sport never had the rev hang issue and another mapping than the S2 model. Re my Roadster Sport it helped to lead the intake hose above the radiator. The radiator is sealed with a kind of rubber lip between radiator and upper cowl area. I bent this rubber lip down a bit and fastened it with a cable tie so that cold air can flow through this new gap and is reaching the air pipe. The difference in the liveliness of the engine is noticeable. With some Roadster Sport the air hose that leads to the airbox hangs simply only downward which is not so optimal.

meabh, funnily I had not seen that you write about the same issue:)
Posted By: MarcelT

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 11/09/19 07:44 PM

Thanks much, meabh and Heinz - I will check on the intake hose, currently my Mog is sleeping at home (me being on business trip). I though had the "frame" between mesh grille and radiator, which bundles the air stream towards the radiator (but also lowers the space where the air flows into the radiator) removed, when installing the mesh grille. Not sure if this already helps, but air flow seems to be better since (temperature slightly lower than before).

BUT - speaking about rev hang issue, I noticed that sometimes engine speed is NOT immediately dropping, e.g. standing at the lights and gear out. It it not going down slowly either, but you have to push the throttle shortly, and then engine speed goes down. Does not appear to be a "classic" rev hang, maybe you have an idea on this?

@Heinz, are you on the unMOGlich tour on Sept 22? Maybe a chance to meet personally...
Posted By: BertR

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 11/09/19 08:00 PM

Could one source (and were from?) a Sport manifold and retrofit on a S2, someone done this?
Posted By: MarcelT

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 11/09/19 08:10 PM

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Posted By: Stewart S

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 11/09/19 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by BertR
Could one source (and were from?) a Sport manifold and retrofit on a S2, someone done this?


I haven’t done this but the first owner of mine did this on mine through Williams

I’ll post some photos later this week
Posted By: meabh

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 11/09/19 09:09 PM

Yep that near .kind of. rev hang does happen sometimes. It seems as if the ecu is waiting for the temp to come up. I find that coming to a stop and waiting a second or two cures it. It never happens in winter though.
Posted By: Heinz

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 12/09/19 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by MarcelT
@Heinz, are you on the unMOGlich tour on Sept 22? Maybe a chance to meet personally...


TBH I have never heard of this tour, Marcel. I am in no Morgan club or so but it sounds to be very funny:) Unfortunately on Sept. 22 we are planned, a very old school friend visits us with his wife and this date is fixed since months. Do you have a link where I anyway can get some info about the unMoglich tour?
Posted By: John V6

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 12/09/19 09:15 AM

I guess getting the details will be impossible
laugh2 crazy2
Posted By: MarcelT

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 12/09/19 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Heinz
Originally Posted by MarcelT
@Heinz, are you on the unMOGlich tour on Sept 22? Maybe a chance to meet personally...


TBH I have never heard of this tour, Marcel. I am in no Morgan club or so but it sounds to be very funny:) Unfortunately on Sept. 22 we are planned, a very old school friend visits us with his wife and this date is fixed since months. Do you have a link where I anyway can get some info about the unMoglich tour?


@ John V6 - sorry, yes that´s a local event of the German Morgan Club...

@ Heinz - on Sept 22nd there is the regional club day tour of the German Morgan Club (MCD), starting in Bensberg close to Cologne. I´m new to the MCD too, but would think that they would also embrace a non-member to join the tour. Sorry that you are not available, Mmaybe next time... here´s the link to MCD: https://www.morgan-club.de/morgan-club/termine/
Posted By: Heinz

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 12/09/19 12:46 PM

Thanks for Info, Marcel. May be a next time I will join the tour.
So it was not unmöglich to get some details about the unMOGlich event, John:)
Posted By: John V6

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 12/09/19 02:21 PM

A stammtisch in Bayern with a Mog. That would be fun.
Posted By: CooperMan

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 12/09/19 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by BertR
Could one source (and were from?) a Sport manifold and retrofit on a S2, someone done this?


The Bluefin ECU flash (made by Superchips) used to offer around 10% gain & much easier to do
Posted By: BertR

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 12/09/19 08:06 PM

My Roadster’s Ecu was reprogrammed by Williams, I followed Jay’s example. At same time I had air intake upgraded with itg filter. To get more air in I installed Bonnet Extensions from John Tailor. This all made a tremendous performance and sound improvement.

It also has a sport exhaust, but wonder if this includes the exhaust manifold. Hence my question. I am curious for picture promised by Stuart, so I can compare. Looking for indicators that show what manifold is on mine.

Cheers,
Bert
Posted By: Heinz

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 12/09/19 08:21 PM

Regarding the series three Roadster Sport I can say that it has a good manifold as standard. I was at my exhaust expert, F&F in Overath at the time. He had installed two 300 cell metal catalytic converters in my Roadster Sport. When asked if he should build a new manifold, he replied that the standard manifolds are very well made and I should keep them which I did.
Posted By: MarcelT

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 13/09/19 07:44 AM

@ John V6 - actually this is existing. MC Germany has various regional sections, each with a "Stammtisch", day/Weekend tours etc. …. move over :-)

@ Heinz, meabh - got it checked, with removal of all frames/shields behind the mesh, there´s lots of space for air to go around the Radiator, and the air intake has been placed (thanks to Morgan Flaving specialist HolgerK) right ABOVE the Radiator - more fresh air for the engine is not possible... @ Heinz, can send you Pictures if you might want to alter your front as well.
Posted By: Heinz

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 13/09/19 09:03 AM

Yes, Marcel, above the radiator, as I wrote, between the radiator and the cowl (which means between the top of the radiator and the cowl). You could sent a photo but I think it is clear how it should look. In another thread I write about cold air intake for open K&N filter where you can see a photo with an airpipe below the radiator. But that is another engine and regarding to my current 4/4.
Posted By: Stewart S

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 15/09/19 08:54 AM

I promised a couple of photos of my manifold on my S2 Roadster


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Posted By: BertR

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 15/09/19 10:48 AM

Stewart, thx for posting, these look exactly the same as the ones I have! So, that is why my car is so super fast :-).
I took a good look at them yesterday, after a nice drive to and from my brother.
Thanks,
Bert
Posted By: milligoon

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 16/09/19 07:05 AM

Stick your engine number in fords database to see which Cleveland built engine you have. Can't remember the weblink unfortunately but it was a USA website.
Posted By: CooperMan

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 16/09/19 12:55 PM

Same as my previous S1, except mine were much shinier shades
Posted By: Stewart S

Re: Question on Roadster 3.0 engine - 16/09/19 04:48 PM

It might be that the manifold is standard then and it’s just the exhaust that’s aftermarket
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