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Toilet cistern size. My dearly beloved, life's little helpmate decided last year that we were going to replace two of our bathrooms. Their failing was that the porcelain was coloured and the taps were gold. Yes, real 1990s stuff that someday will be desireable antiques, but currently causes loss of face when "the girls" ( I call them the coven) come to drink tea and eat cake.
So rather than do the sensible thing and wait for them to become valuable antique, the old ones had to go and be replaced buy boring white. But in the going we come a cropper with the crapper ( sorry - couldnt resist) and the latest eco freak regulations. The regs say the cistern has to be no more than 6 litres capacity. The objective is to save water - presumably no one bothered to check how much water we have all over the place here in Wales. Instead they have assumed that we are in the Altacama.
And what has been the result? Well the 6 litres dictates a much smaller size of the poolwith the consequence that any time we go poo, there are skidmarks on the toilet sides or bottom. So first flush and then out comes the brush and after that a second flush. This uses 12 litres of water rather than the 6 - and thats a 33% increase compred to what the previous 1991 specified 9 litre cistern used for its single flush.
Maybe if we had replaced our politicians with lavatory attendants we would have had more practical and sensible regulations. Instead our regulations are ( yes you know its coming) a load of crap!.
There is a pattern isnt there? Whether its the subsidies to foreign power companies not to generate power or to farmers not to grow food, or the car exhaust regs that create VW style issues, or the ridiculously expensive nuclear plants, most of the goody two shoes eco regulations have been stupidly badly thought through.
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That's because the wrong type of people are attracted to these jobs. Most people wouldn't want to do jobs like that at any cost.
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Perhaps Euro regulations have not only not taken account of the prevailing climate around the UK but also our British diet. Is there a similarity between British poo and the wrong leaves on NetworkRail's track?
The expectation that our poo conforms to a Euro standard is a tad misguided presently; or perhaps we'll get a Directive out of our Eurocrats in Brussells on the specification of poo before we depart the EU!
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My experience of a blocked toilet at work is that the capacity of the cistern exactly matched the capacity of the toilet bowl. The water rose right to the top, to within a couple of mm, before slowly subsiding....................
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Howard you will have to change the family diet a good Vindaloo and no more skid marks. Its also good exercise when running for the loo keeps you fit . A [/color]tin shed in the garden with a candle and the daily mail cut into 6"x 6" bits on a string . One way of stopping the Coven
I could not stop  at the bit in red below. Oh crap its all come out in red .
Toilet cistern size. My dearly beloved, life's little helpmate decided last year that we were going to replace two of our bathrooms. Their failing was that the porcelain was coloured and the
taps were gold. Yes, real 1990s stuff that someday will be desireable antiques, but currently causes loss of face when "the girls" ( I call them the coven) come to drink tea and eat cake.
So rather than do the sensible thing and wait for them to become valuable antique, the old ones had to go and be replaced buy boring white. But in the going we come a cropper with the crapper ( sorry - couldnt resist) and the latest eco freak regulations. The regs say the cistern has to be no more than 6 litres capacity. The objective is to save water - presumably no one bothered to check how much water we have all over the place here in Wales. Instead they have assumed that we are in the Altacama.
And what has been the result? Well the 6 litres dictates a much smaller size of the poolwith the consequence that any time we go poo, there are skidmarks on the toilet sides [color:#FF0000]or bottom. So first flush and then out comes the brush and after that a second flush. This uses 12 litres of water rather than the 6 - and thats a 33% increase compred to what the previous 1991 specified 9 litre cistern used for its single flush.
Maybe if we had replaced our politicians with lavatory attendants we would have had more practical and sensible regulations. Instead our regulations are ( yes you know its coming) a load of crap!.
There is a pattern isnt there? Whether its the subsidies to foreign power companies not to generate power or to farmers not to grow food, or the car exhaust regs that create VW style issues, or the ridiculously expensive nuclear plants, most of the goody two shoes eco regulations have been stupidly badly thought through.
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just crap in your neighbours or friends bog, let them clear it up
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We are planning a move later this year. A new bathroom is planned in the destination house. I haven't looked at the details yet. I did comment about collecting rainwater to use to flush but  is agitated (!) about such systems. Cost, underground tank, pump, pipework etc.. Yes. Not dirt cheap I agree. Having spoken to someone I know who has such a system I am not convinced they are economic anyway as a long breakeven is the norm. We will be only the two of us so maybe just water butts for rainwater for car washing/garden etc.. as that is cheap. interesting about the cistern size though! I remember hols in Greece where they have maceration systems. Quite a strange system when first encountered! A bit like the first impressions of the French toilets with "footpads" either side of a hole in the floor and no toilet pan. I remember reaction the first time she went into such a cubicle in a campsite in S France 
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I totally agree with you Howard.
Instead of cutting the volume of cisterns, the saving in water could probably have been achieved by maintaining the requirement that the flush mechanism should be of a siphon flush type rather than allowing the use of the greatly inferior flapper valve type flush, which as it relies on the integrity of a seal is prone to leaking (and they always do as soon as there is a little limescale build up). The water wasted as a result of these mechanisms is colossal.
Now I know that it was Brussels who imposed this change to the regulations, but in this case they were completely wrong. They should have obliged all of the EU to ban the sale of the flapper valve type flush and made the siphon flush compulsory. Then maybe we could have kept our 9 litre cisterns.
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I remember reaction the first time she went into such a cubicle in a campsite in S France  I remember when an Aussie friend visiting us in France first encountered one of those at a motorway stop. He came running out, a stricken look on his face, shouting "Strewth, Giles mate. Some bloody bastard's gone and nicked the bloody dunny!!!"
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Oh crap its all come out in red . You'd better get down the doctors a bit sharpish then.
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