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The real issue is that our roads are far too congested. Blame immigration and JIT manufacture, for its not like the railways are under utilised. Also, our economy is back to pre-recession levels.
50 mph should be the absolute minimum on motorways. Anything less is incredibly dangerous without a safety convoy. Likewise 40 mph on derestricted single carriageways. To maintain momentum and safely get past something going slower is dangerous and hard work in anything articulated or carrying weight.
And lets not forget, for professional drivers, time is money.
As for not undertaking, its a luxury some cannot afford.
Traffic Cops? When was the last time you saw one of them? Getting them to attend accidents is neigh-on impossible.
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My observation would be that driving skills in general are poor. Forward planning, and being aware of surroundings are equally deficient. As others have said there is a lot of inappropriate use of speed too. Just the other day I sat watching drivers in a supermarket car park and was amazed at how fast people drove. A golfing mate was hit by a car in our Asda car park a few days ago. He has leg and head injuries. His head hit the windscreen and cracked it so a significant blow. No witnesses and police are investigating. The driver did stop. No major onjuries but nasty enough. Driving standards these days are poorer. Roads have more traffic yet drivers are less sensible, tailgating, not indicating, in a hurry, selfish. Luckily I rarely drive in big cities where it is worse. Slow drivers in our rural area are a nuisance though. Some like tractors, are to be expected and they tend to pull off the road. It is the inconsiderate, nervous, deliberate ones that are a problem.
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The worst volume of issues I see with slow cars on the Motorway is when a car drops below 56mph. This means the lorries then have to spill into lane 2 and due to the limiter makes this over-taking slow. Then all the cars start to jockey to get through the lane 3 gap. This leads to the previous comment about gap pushing-bad manners etc.
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Their are only two types of other, and by default bad, drivers.
Those who are ahead of me, blocking the road and my progress, if they can’t drive reasonably they should be off the road for go - and
Those maniacs up my chuff, hell bent at getting by at some unreasonable speed, they should be off the road and locked up for good.
Sorry, which of the two were we talking about.
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On dual carriageways and motorways you can undertake slower vehicles. "stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left" from the Highway code. I was also told by a senior traffic officer that if there is not a queue and you travel for x amount of distance (I think it was a mile) then you may undertake by giving the driver ahead notice by indicating, flashing and sounding your horn as you go past on the nearside. This as you can imagine doesn't tend to go down well in general with the driver ahead  The general standard of driving in the UK especially on national speed limit roads is pretty poor. Seems even worse the more lanes there are. When did the inside lane become a lorry only lane on motorways? Seems that way to me anyway. Not true, you can only undertake in slowly moving congested traffic. Undertaking in a left lane and then pulling into a right lane is not allowed. Careless Driving. The chap who runs the Royal household's transport told me otherwise. Undertaking is ok If it's within the speed limit Will
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Though the RAC says it's not strictly illegal to undertake - you can be done for careless driving. Highway code for overtaking
Overtaking (rules 267 to 269)
Rule 267
Do not overtake unless you are sure it is safe and legal to do so. Overtake only on the right. You should
check your mirrors
take time to judge the speeds correctly
make sure that the lane you will be joining is sufficiently clear ahead and behind
take a quick sideways glance into the blind spot area to verify the position of a vehicle that may have disappeared from your view in the mirror
remember that traffic may be coming up behind you very quickly. Check all your mirrors carefully. Look out for motorcyclists. When it is safe to do so, signal in plenty of time, then move out
ensure you do not cut in on the vehicle you have overtaken
be especially careful at night and in poor visibility when it is harder to judge speed and distance.
Rule 268
Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.
If you are on the left hand lane already you can keep up with the speed that lane is travelling even if the righthand lanes are travelling slower.
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When was the last time you saw one of them? Getting them to attend accidents is neigh-on impossible. This would be the mounted police?
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The way I see it, if I'm in lane 1 and cruise past slower moving traffic in lanes 2 and/or 3 without then moving into lane 2, then I'm not 'overtaking', it's just that they are in a slower traffic stream.
The number of times you see lane 1 empty with 2 & 3 with heavy traffic is depressingly common. The other thing I've noticed lately are motorists hogging the third lane of a four lane 'smart' motorway. On more than one occasion I've had to go from the first lane to the fourth to overtake one of these drivers. It strikes me as being difficult for the police to pull them over even if they wished to as there's no hard shoulder anymore.
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This sign indicates the minimum speed allowed on a 3 lane stretch of Autostrada.  Realistically 90 kph is far too slow for the "fast lane" but it is an offence to occupy a lane when there is a vacant lane to the right.
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Around our way, the average speed on a National Speed Limit road (60mph) is 40 - 45, everywhere, and frankly why not? They are mostly retired people with plenty of time and not always with a great deal of confidence. As has been said it is up to the following driver, and I think we have all found out that passing a slow motorist doesn't result in shortening the journey time?
Of course multi carriageway roads are different. I think there is merit in careful and considered passing on the left, it can be done within the rules, but of course if there is an accident, remember who will get the blame.
As for reasons, then obviously lack of visible policing is one, but present company excepted, there is a vast swathe of people, more than ever before, reaching their '60's and 70's who are still driving but are losing their edge. Personally I would like to see 5 year retesting for everyone, I'm sure it would help? But it would sure be a vote loser, and besides, the government have a few things on their mind just now.........
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