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Jan 2016 - spare wheel retainers on trads. #330109
04/01/16 07:27 PM
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I mentioned this problem just before I clocked off on New Years Eve.

Who hasn't struggled to hold their spare in position while you get the T bar started?
Who hasn't used towels stuffed round the lower edge to hold the spare in position?
Like here:



Who hasn't ended up with an aching back after fighting the spare wheel into position?

Well, now I have a solution. grin2

This is one of those ideas from "the ether". This is when a problem seems insurmountable, when suddenly a solution presents itself, and this happened over Christmas.

If you visit the factory, there's a scrap box in the wood shop and you are invited to help yourself to an offcut. These are small cuts of ply, usually from the rear wheel arches, so curved and tapered. They are all slightly different! - but over a few visits I've accrued a few pieces which rest on a shelf in the garage.

It seemed they were a bit pointless until I started looking at what I've got and found an almost matched pair. It took a small amount of fettling, but I was able to make them into a pair. They are curved and also slightly tapered.



The plan was to fit these two pieces to the cross timber which passes under and below the spare. The problem with it, is that this cross timber is only just below the centre line of the wheel, making it harder to judge where to fit, as the width of the wheel is only just below maximum at that point. The other problem was marking the position with the wheel in place, because access is very tight. I then found that the required holes are so close to the bodywork, that drilling all the way through was very tricky. Initially I was intending to use 4m or 5m long bolts with nuts, but because of the tight access I decided to use wood screws with a dash of PVA glue. Once this was determined I drilled the timber and countersunk the screw heads.



Next I did the first test fit:


That went well, so I did the other side:


At this point I refitted the spare, but the gap was too wide by quite a margin. Made worse by the curved sidewall of the tyre. I didn't want to get the wood too close in, because then it would have been much harder to adjust it outwards, but realistically I was almost half an inch too wide each side. This was no great problem because I had intended to use a rubber buffer on the wood, but as it turned out it took four strips each side of rubber sheet, with the top one tapered.

Here's another test fit:


Because these are visible, I decided to hide them. Black paint would have worked, but to save time I used an offcut of leather. I appreciate that leather isn't especially waterproof, but when the job was finished I sprayed the whole lot with Tectyl506. The cross timber is disguised with a neoprene strip on the upper edge.


This is the completed buffer with tapered upper edge and wax coated:






And here's the wheel, now self supporting - no more towels!!!


The job took about three hours at a steady pace, and I'm very happy with the result. The next one I do will be better from the experience I gained doing this one! For once I had to drill some holes in the Roadster....smirk2 thumbs


DaveW
2005 Corsa Red Roadster S1
2016 Saffron Yellow (Narrow) Plus 4
Re: Jan 2016 - spare wheel retainers on trads. [Re: DaveW] #330112
04/01/16 07:39 PM
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Impressive Dave as ever. Important that anybody sets it around a tyre with full tread rather than worn down tread.

After a few more visits to the factory you'll have enough bits of wood to build the new Morgan in your garage! laugh2


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Re: Jan 2016 - spare wheel retainers on trads. [Re: DaveW] #330131
04/01/16 08:48 PM
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Dave,
When are you finally going to publish your book of Morgan Mods?
Can I suggest a title " 50 ways with neoprene and off cuts"
toff


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Reg
Re: Jan 2016 - spare wheel retainers on trads. [Re: DaveW] #330157
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You do realise Dave that I'm now going to have to make sure that there's a good supply of curved off cuts for the TM tour!

Last edited by Jays; 04/01/16 10:58 PM.

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Re: Jan 2016 - spare wheel retainers on trads. [Re: DaveW] #330160
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Yeh , bag me a couple more before 30th.....
A matched pair obviously. smirk2


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Re: Jan 2016 - spare wheel retainers on trads. [Re: DaveW] #330164
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Great stuff Dave but a problem avoided on the 4 seaters! smile


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Re: Jan 2016 - spare wheel retainers on trads. [Re: DaveW] #330169
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I wish I was clever like you Dave.........

Re: Jan 2016 - spare wheel retainers on trads. [Re: DaveW] #330214
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Dave great stuff.
Jay I have one off cut and can't joint the visit on the 30th. Seems another visit is required


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Re: Jan 2016 - spare wheel retainers on trads. [Re: DaveW] #330220
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Nice solution, Dave.


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Re: Jan 2016 - spare wheel retainers on trads. [Re: DaveW] #460611
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Post Photobucket re-post..........................

I mentioned this problem just before I clocked off on New Years Eve.

Who hasn't struggled to hold their spare in position while you get the T bar started?
Who hasn't used towels stuffed round the lower edge to hold the spare in position?
Like here:



Who hasn't ended up with an aching back after fighting the spare wheel into position?

Well, now I have a solution. grin2

This is one of those ideas from "the ether". This is when a problem seems insurmountable, when suddenly a solution presents itself, and this happened over Christmas.

If you visit the factory, there's a scrap box in the wood shop and you are invited to help yourself to an offcut. These are small cuts of ply, usually from the rear wheel arches, so curved and tapered. They are all slightly different! - but over a few visits I've accrued a few pieces which rest on a shelf in the garage.

It seemed they were a bit pointless until I started looking at what I've got and found an almost matched pair. It took a small amount of fettling, but I was able to make them into a pair. They are curved and also slightly tapered.



The plan was to fit these two pieces to the cross timber which passes under and below the spare. The problem with it, is that this cross timber is only just below the centre line of the wheel, making it harder to judge where to fit, as the width of the wheel is only just below maximum at that point. The other problem was marking the position with the wheel in place, because access is very tight. I then found that the required holes are so close to the bodywork, that drilling all the way through was very tricky. Initially I was intending to use 4m or 5m long bolts with nuts, but because of the tight access I decided to use wood screws with a dash of PVA glue. Once this was determined I drilled the timber and countersunk the screw heads.



Next I did the first test fit:



That went well, so I did the other side:



At this point I refitted the spare, but the gap was too wide by quite a margin. Made worse by the curved sidewall of the tyre. I didn't want to get the wood too close in, because then it would have been much harder to adjust it outwards, but realistically I was almost half an inch too wide each side. This was no great problem because I had intended to use a rubber buffer on the wood, but as it turned out it took four strips each side of rubber sheet, with the top one tapered.

Here's another test fit:



Because these are visible, I decided to hide them. Black paint would have worked, but to save time I used an offcut of leather. I appreciate that leather isn't especially waterproof, but when the job was finished I sprayed the whole lot with Tectyl506. The cross timber is disguised with a neoprene strip on the upper edge.



This is the completed buffer with tapered upper edge and wax coated:






And here's the wheel, now self supporting - no more towels!!!



The job took about three hours at a steady pace, and I'm very happy with the result. The next one I do will be better from the experience I gained doing this one! For once I had to drill some holes in the Roadster....

And here's a bonus image. When I did this job on my Plus 4, I left the retainers in plain wood, which matches the clean surroundings of the clear underseal environment.......
A single strip of neoprene buffer was added to each side after fitting the spare and adjusting the gap.



DaveW
2005 Corsa Red Roadster S1
2016 Saffron Yellow (Narrow) Plus 4

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