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Aero Issues: Including Tyres and Sump Guards [Re: Neilda] #448328
12/05/17 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted By Neilda
I guess a big bump will cause huge damage with or without the guard - I doubt the guard will contribute to additional damage in the event of 'el gordo'. However, the balance of probabilities is that the guard will protect against 99% of events which would otherwise damage the engine....


& I suppose that the engine-mounted guard will soften any blow by moving the engine on its mounts.
The force needed to move the weight of the whole car on a chassis mount would be several times greater.

Will


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Re: Aero Issues: Including Tyres and Sump Guards [Re: Crunchie Gears] #448332
12/05/17 08:31 AM
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I agree the engine mounted item will provide additional protection and especially for the drain plug. It is worth it for that if you get the chance to wriggle around visible items and just need early protection.

My issue is that all three of my replacement sumps have been based on projections not seen in time and so I needed re protection.

Shooter I think you definitely own that award. Given how much each sump has cost me you must have spent a fortune.


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Re: Aero Issues: Including Tyres and Sump Guards [Re: Alistair] #448347
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Originally Posted By Alistair
Shooter I think you definitely own that award. Given how much each sump has cost me you must have spent a fortune.



... which does make me wonder, Shooter, what was the cost of the *new* suspension?
& by how much did you choose to raise the car?

What's the cost/benefit ratio of sump replacements to adjustable suspension?!

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Re: Aero Issues: Including Tyres and Sump Guards [Re: Crunchie Gears] #448381
12/05/17 11:59 AM
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On my series 4 I replaced all the suspension, wishbones, steering rack etc so the bill was quite hefty!

I don't have the final cost for the new suspension yet. I am not looking to raise the car particularly (although a great option for some of the road hazards!). Therefore, the sump issue will remain and will have to decide on the wolf or the chassis mount options.


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Re: Aero Issues: Including Tyres and Sump Guards [Re: Shooter] #448463
12/05/17 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted By dodgyken
The tyres are Dunlop Sport Maxx RT - combined with the well greased suspension components the steering is now slightly softer and the ride much improved. I also have a sneaking suspicion that the car was supplied on 30 rear rubber. It now has 35. It might just be the tyres give a better ride but it also might be helped by an increase in profile.

Re: Aero Issues: Including Tyres and Sump Guards [Re: Crunchie Gears] #448571
13/05/17 08:37 AM
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Blimey......reading all this suggests that you guys have lower sumps than even my 3.0 Roadster!


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Re: Aero Issues: Including Tyres and Sump Guards [Re: Jays] #448575
13/05/17 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted By Jays
Blimey......reading all this suggests that you guys have lower sumps than even my 3.0 Roadster!


It is much the same..10cm; the big difference is that the sump pan is pressed steel, not cast alloy. Some have damaged their sump more than once. Tarka has run 31,000 miles and so far the sump is undamaged.

I've no idea why.

It is clear that gated drives pose a special threat, impact with the lower gate stop a real concern. Obviously I don't move in circles where such gates are to be found... getcoat

With a steel sump one might think it can take slight impacts...but it can't! It seems that a dent in the wrong place can damage an oil pick up pipe and reduce oil flow.

Genius.

Even though I seem to have been lucky I'm going to fit one of Cain's plates. Cheaper than a new sump pan.


Peter,
Power Corrupts.....
Tarka the 'Otter Mog....2014 Plus 8
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Re: Aero Issues: Including Tyres and Sump Guards [Re: Jays] #448584
13/05/17 09:46 AM
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I had a proper look under the engine today.

Hmm.... obviously much more contact with "stuff" than I'd realised...but no damage.

Photos posted on the gallery..
Wolf Plate Ordered..


Peter,
Power Corrupts.....
Tarka the 'Otter Mog....2014 Plus 8
Tesla Model 3 AWD.


Re: Aero Issues: Including Tyres and Sump Guards [Re: Crunchie Gears] #448601
13/05/17 11:55 AM
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I thought you used your wheels to take any impacts Peter? wink

Currently in Sf, I dread to think what would happen to a mog here!


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Re: Aero Issues: Including Tyres and Sump Guards [Re: Crunchie Gears] #448631
13/05/17 03:41 PM
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Just to report that Neil has taken filed the plastic nut arrangement off the bottom of the oil filter and changed the oil drain bolt for a dome headed bolt. It is a very strange thread but he found one.

He is now going to see if he can get a billeted Ali one made which will be much stronger and help the oil cooling.

As for the sump guard, he is look at this too. It is possible to fit it to the chassis. It would be good to make it out of ash ply as it would be strong and flexible!


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