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AeroSS - fuel filler cap key #508874
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Hi,
I would like to keep a copy of the fiel filler cap key in the car.
I thought it would have been pretty easy to find a "blank one" and having that cut.
Three different (big) places in Italy did not have the blank key.
Does anybody of you where could I find it?
I do not really care about the MOG logo or the shape.
It has simply to work.
Any suggestion/idea, more than welcome.



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Re: AeroSS - fuel filler cap key [Re: Ale_72] #508875
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We discussed this (much) earlier and I recall that most recent Morgan fuel caps are 044.

Not that this helps source another!


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Re: AeroSS - fuel filler cap key [Re: Ale_72] #508878
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I am usually good in googling but with TM posts it's pretty difficult, for me. If you could point me to the other thread happy to go on there.
Meanwhile, is 044 a "brand"?


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This is all I could find on a Google - https://www.htsspares.com/catalogue/plant/plant-accessories/plant-keys/ignition-keys/show/hky0002

I am assuming the 044 is the basic blank profile of the key that you need to have copied.

Here is another link - maybe a photograph of your key to them would help - it is the 044 Series. They imply that the actual key number should be inscribed on the barrel of the lock facing you as you look at it.
https://www.replacementkeys.co.uk/catalogsearch/result/index/?p=1&q=044


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Re: AeroSS - fuel filler cap key [Re: Ale_72] #508895
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it looks like an old lucas FS type key.

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Originally Posted By B3MOG
it looks like an old lucas FS type key.

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I thought they were “single sided”


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The morgan owners are honest people so we do not steal the fuel between us, is not the case in the automotive luxury brand for which I work.

Re: AeroSS - fuel filler cap key [Re: Ale_72] #508922
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I'm happy to share my fuel from time to time, if I can get rid of the hassle of the key.
I fear that sooner or later that key/lock will cost me much more than a few liters of fuel.


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All three of my Morgans have had 044 and any key will open any cap of the three..............
I just checked two this afternoon innocent


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Re: AeroSS - fuel filler cap key [Re: Ale_72] #508925
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3 keys, 3 cars...
Looks like an expensive option.


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Re: AeroSS - fuel filler cap key [Re: Paul F] #508928
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Originally Posted By Paul F
Originally Posted By B3MOG
it looks like an old lucas FS type key.
David Byrne


I thought they were “single sided”

All my FS keys (from first Land Rover on to latest LR and Morgan) were single sided.
That's not to say there weren't two sided FS keys.


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Hi Everyone,

it looks like a key for a disc tumbler lock, not the most secure or complicated.

I'm sure 044 relates to the blank but it doesn't help if the manufacturer is unknown.

The important part is the profile of the keyway, look end on to see it's shape, they are all different. First stop is a visit to a key cutting shop and ask them if they have a blank to match the profile. The manufacturer is unimportant as long as it has the same shape. In Britain Timpsons shoe repairer, who these days do a fair amount of lock work, usually display a board of keyway profiles.

Then it is straight forward job to cut a key using the original as the pattern.

There is also a company www.fastkeys.co.uk who may help.

I have no connection but did spend a lifetime in the supply of locks etc for high end buildings but regrettably not cars. Sorry

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Re: AeroSS - fuel filler cap key [Re: Ale_72] #508962
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Every Morgan’s fuel cap key for some years now is number 044! so every owners key will open every other owners’ cap!
So, for once, the Factory and dealers should have one in stock! The factory were/are infamous for losing keys so the filler cap keys were standardised with key no 044.
Incidentally there is a big box of ‘spare’ lost/ recovered keys at the Factory, probably hundreds, many of them Rover plus 4 keys last time I saw them.


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Re: AeroSS - fuel filler cap key [Re: SALMO] #508968
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Originally Posted By SALMO
The important part is the profile of the keyway, look end on to see it's shape, they are all different. First stop is a visit to a key cutting shop and ask them if they have a blank to match the profile.

I have it already done it in three different ones.
This was why I was asking for different option (beside factory or dealer. I know for sure I can get them there, but I'd miss part of the pleasure).


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Originally Posted By Ale_72
Originally Posted By SALMO
The important part is the profile of the keyway, look end on to see it's shape, they are all different. First stop is a visit to a key cutting shop and ask them if they have a blank to match the profile.

I have it already done it in three different ones.
This was why I was asking for different option (beside factory or dealer. I know for sure I can get them there, but I'd miss part of the pleasure).


Ale, I can go to Timpsons and get a copy of my 044 cut and mail it to you....


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Re: AeroSS - fuel filler cap key [Re: Ale_72] #509044
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Ciao Peter, your help is much appreciated.
Let me make a final check next week end (I owe a couple of pics to Alistair as well) and maybe I will bother you for that, only if it's not too much hassle.
Many thanks!


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Re: AeroSS - fuel filler cap key [Re: Ale_72] #598189
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A little late I know but tracking down a spare Morgan fuel cap key blank is a bit of a challenge. Endless Googling keeps bringing up this thread and not much else.
Thought it worth posting the links below to this key I stumbled across.
Link1
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The little pre-cut key worked for me.
[Linked Image]





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If they are all the same perhaps it is something for Wolf and others to sell??


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Originally Posted by Rog
The little pre-cut key worked for me.

Thanks Rog! Now I had a copy done by my dealer, but those links and pics are super helpful!
Let me copy here the description of the links, in case they expire.
"Replacement 044 Key to Suite a Variety of Fenwick Fuel Caps" by L&S Engineers


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Thank you Roger, last time I tried to find one of these I wasted hours.


Just time to burn a little more petrol before dinner.
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I re-engineered my fuel cap so that it can be opened with the ignition key. By luck the "cut" of the the first part of my ignotion key was very similar to the fuel cap key and both will work. I just had to open the keyway a little and adjust the lock wafers a little. I usually use the original because the lock is quite stiff and the longer ignition key could be damaged however in an emergency, such as the loss of the fuel cap key (or leaving it at the B&B pantsdown) I can use the ignition key.

To be honest it is ridiculous that with the number of cars produced Morgan don't have custom made lock sets so that one key works in the ignition, doors, and fuel cap. Moto Guzzi have done it for ignition, fuel, side bags and top case so I would think Morgan should be able to do the same.


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I doubt that there is any car with such a key shaft and a super-small fuel cap like the AeroSS to "reuse" smile

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Ale. The keys are made by Newton Equipment Ltd.

When I modified my fuel cap to accept the ignition key I ordered a spare cap from the manufacturer just in case of a disaster.

I have some spare keys so if you send me a PM or SMS me with your address I will pop one in the mail for you.

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Ciao Peter, many thanks!
Some time ago Gigi provided me with an additional key.
I will keep in mind your offer and pick up a key if we succeed to meet once between Milan and Como.
Many thanks for now!


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I got a spare key for my Aero8 fuel cap following the link posted by Rog.

Sadly this does not work for me (S1 Aero8 fitting must be different?).

If anyone wants a spare '044' key then drop me a PM with your details and I'll post it to you FOC!

First come and all that......

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Originally Posted by James B W
I got a spare key for my Aero8 fuel cap following the link posted by Rog.

Sadly this does not work for me (S1 Aero8 fitting must be different?).

If anyone wants a spare '044' key then drop me a PM with your details and I'll post it to you FOC!

First come and all that......

James


If I recall my Aero fuel key is quite a lot smaller looking than the picture of the 044 keys, it also has a flat edge - so looks like the S1's are different.

I would love to make all the keys the same, i.e. ignition working for doors and fuel..


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Originally Posted by James B W
I got a spare key for my Aero8 fuel cap following the link posted by Rog.

Sadly this does not work for me (S1 Aero8 fitting must be different?).

If anyone wants a spare '044' key then drop me a PM with your details and I'll post it to you FOC!

First come and all that......

James

Sorry to hear that James

Have you tried giving the freshly cut key a good brush over with a small wire brush to take the burrs off? Sometimes that helps.

My second key arrived today. Ordered another as I have 3 ignition keys. Below is a pic of my “Newton Equipment” part number Z45LT cap. Perhaps other cars may have different caps I guess.
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Hi James.
You posted this last October so I expect that someone took you up on the offer. But if not, I'd love to have the key. Please let me know.
Regards, Scott

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sorry Scott, now gone - but easy enough to order one up.....

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Meanwhile I discovered that with my key I can open the fuel cap of my friend with a Roadster SII innocent


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Originally Posted by Ale_72
Meanwhile I discovered that with my key I can open the fuel cap of my friend with a Roadster SII innocent


As a lad I owned an old Ford Fiesta that you could open with a house Yale key


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Originally Posted by Scottsi
Hi James.
You posted this last October so I expect that someone took you up on the offer. But if not, I'd love to have the key. Please let me know.
Regards, Scott

Hi Scott
Just spotted this...I've got an extra key, PM me your address and I''ll stick it in the post to you.

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