Have used this info to find the three spare leads Thankyou, as stated one is permanently live and on my car is fuse 18 intercom/power socket, I am after one that powers up with the ignition so I can connect my sat nav mount (tomtom rider 5) permanently into the car. The other 2 do this but only show as 5v which I find puzzling, my mount must need 12v because it won't work off either of them. Can anyone with greater knowledge than me (which is probably everyone then) explain this...Thanks