Stuart thanks, a lot of what you say make sence . But we are talking Daughter and future SIL and I think its a bit of Pecking order going on . Its hard to step back and not bang their heads together I am not looking at it as two people to me the dog has to be included. Offered to buy them a S Bull T or a Bull Dog out of my own pocket . But he wants one to go long walks how the hell can he when his is at work and trying to climb the ladder and she wants one as a pet and short walks more to cuddle up to . He sometimes does not get in till midnight I often wonder if they know what they are letting themselves in for . future SIL lost his grand father on Wed so not the time to talk. Think in a few weeks time I am going to ask do they want to go and have a look around a dogs home I need to see how they act with dogs and each other while with dogs . This may( I SAID MAY ) make them see things in a different light . thumbs