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[quote=Gwyn]But what doesnt make sense, is MMC is doing half the job, eg they now have PG dealers, but they dont have the car that they can sell.
They seem to be going arse about face on this, before they get to the PG dealer they need to have the quality in place, Bentley offer 3 year unlimited miles and Porsche is the same for most models.
I cant see pg dealer type buyer wanting current MMC factory quality levels, and the last thing that they should do is burn the wider public and put them off for the future.
May be they should start this PGD adventure with the EVA, and really do a good engineering job on it.
I'll probably get shot at from all points of the compass but when spending nearly £70k on an Aero 8 S3 a few years back it's not unreasonable to expect the hood not to leak when it rains. Claiming it's a part of the joys of 'Morgan ownership' is too rose tinted for me. After over 100 years of making cars you would have thought that MMC would have had a head start on the 'young up start manufacturers' who have mostly managed the challange of making a soft top that does not leak, and get it to go up and down at the press of a button at no extra cost (and yes I do know the Mini Coupe soft top is a manual hood).
When I was looking at an Aero S3 and ready to place a deposit the dealer claimed 'the build quality is as good as an Aston Martin' I was not 100% sure about that claim.
More worrying is the fact that if had I bought the S3 there is a good chance by now the paint would be bubbling around the rear light clusters, the side exit exhausts would have changed their angle of dangle , the interior would have water stains and the wings may have dints from the inside where stones have been propelled at them from the tyres as there are no liners to protect them.
I love Morgans and if I'm buying a trad I know it's an old design made with modern running gear and everyting that goes with it. If I'm paying well over £100K there are a few things I'd like to take as a given, qauilty and water tightness is one of them. I'm now in a position to buy an Aero derivative if I wanted to but at the moment the afore mentioned will stop me, irrespective of what type of dealership is selling it.
I'm sure if MMC wanted to they could create a hood that doesn't leak, but maybe that's what most Morgan owners want.
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when spending nearly £70k on an Aero 8 S3...
When I was looking at an Aero S3...
...had I bought the S3
Confused... Did you buy the car or not. Is this supposition or ownership experience?
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Andyman - I pretty much agree with you. ------------- I went to buy a boat at a boat show a few years ago, despite having an appointment the sales guy was more interested in chatting up the girls giving away umbrellas. He knew I was waiting there - but kept the chatter going with the girls. I made sure he knew I bought my boat eleswhere. It's not just car dealers. 
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I went to buy a boat at a boat show a few years ago, despite having an appointment the sales guy was more interested in chatting up the girls giving away umbrellas. He knew I was waiting there - but kept the chatter going with the girls. I made sure he knew I bought my boat eleswhere. It's not just car dealers. What a moron - shouldn't be working in sales. Years ago, when I was a student I used to work for a yacht builder. One time at the London Boat show the sales manager tore me off a strip for "wasting my time" by spending half an hour talking to a visitor to the stand who though rather scruffy looking was knowledgeable and seemed genuinely interested in buying a boat. Three days later he returned and put down a 20% deposit and signed an order for a new yacht. He also told my boss that ours was the only stand he'd visited at the show where he had been treated as a serious customer. To use a cliché.... never judge a book by the cover.
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I didn't place a deposit, I sold my Roadster to someone who has looked after it very well and was on the point of placing an order. I was subsequently made redundant and buying an Aero was not a 'sensible' option at that point. Four years on and having looked at a few second hand cars and read some of the problems owners have had I'm on the fence. A Morgan is discretionary purchase but I'm sorry that after over 100 years some basics have not been addressed, like applying paint that doesn't come off after 3 years
The issues listed are all ones which I have seen first hand on Aeros or have been well documented on TM
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Do you think this is confined to Morgan? Genuine question.
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Is the question that paint bubbles in less than three years , exhausts 'droop' , hoods leak and stones damage wings from the inside because there are no liners/protection? If so yes
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If you know of other manufacturers with similar problems please share
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[quote=Gwyn]But what doesnt make sense, is MMC is doing half the job, eg they now have PG dealers, but they dont have the car that they can sell.
They seem to be going arse about face on this, before they get to the PG dealer they need to have the quality in place, Bentley offer 3 year unlimited miles and Porsche is the same for most models.
I cant see pg dealer type buyer wanting current MMC factory quality levels, and the last thing that they should do is burn the wider public and put them off for the future.
May be they should start this PGD adventure with the EVA, and really do a good engineering job on it.
I'll probably get shot at from all points of the compass but when spending nearly £70k on an Aero 8 S3 a few years back it's not unreasonable to expect the hood not to leak when it rains. Claiming it's a part of the joys of 'Morgan ownership' is too rose tinted for me. After over 100 years of making cars you would have thought that MMC would have had a head start on the 'young up start manufacturers' who have mostly managed the challange of making a soft top that does not leak, and get it to go up and down at the press of a button at no extra cost (and yes I do know the Mini Coupe soft top is a manual hood).
When I was looking at an Aero S3 and ready to place a deposit the dealer claimed 'the build quality is as good as an Aston Martin' I was not 100% sure about that claim.
More worrying is the fact that if had I bought the S3 there is a good chance by now the paint would be bubbling around the rear light clusters, the side exit exhausts would have changed their angle of dangle , the interior would have water stains and the wings may have dints from the inside where stones have been propelled at them from the tyres as there are no liners to protect them.
I love Morgans and if I'm buying a trad I know it's an old design made with modern running gear and everyting that goes with it. If I'm paying well over £100K there are a few things I'd like to take as a given, qauilty and water tightness is one of them. I'm now in a position to buy an Aero derivative if I wanted to but at the moment the afore mentioned will stop me, irrespective of what type of dealership is selling it.
I'm sure if MMC wanted to they could create a hood that doesn't leak, but maybe that's what most Morgan owners want. I'm with you on the roof situation considering the cost of an Aero S3 ..... my son has a £2K MX5 and that's as water tight as a ducks Proverbial.... so why o why has no one at the MMC resolved this ongoing problem ? 
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[quote=Gwyn]But what doesnt make sense, is MMC is doing half the job, eg they now have PG dealers, but they dont have the car that they can sell.
They seem to be going arse about face on this, before they get to the PG dealer they need to have the quality in place, Bentley offer 3 year unlimited miles and Porsche is the same for most models.
I cant see pg dealer type buyer wanting current MMC factory quality levels, and the last thing that they should do is burn the wider public and put them off for the future.
May be they should start this PGD adventure with the EVA, and really do a good engineering job on it.
I'll probably get shot at from all points of the compass but when spending nearly £70k on an Aero 8 S3 a few years back it's not unreasonable to expect the hood not to leak when it rains. Claiming it's a part of the joys of 'Morgan ownership' is too rose tinted for me. After over 100 years of making cars you would have thought that MMC would have had a head start on the 'young up start manufacturers' who have mostly managed the challange of making a soft top that does not leak, and get it to go up and down at the press of a button at no extra cost (and yes I do know the Mini Coupe soft top is a manual hood).
When I was looking at an Aero S3 and ready to place a deposit the dealer claimed 'the build quality is as good as an Aston Martin' I was not 100% sure about that claim.
More worrying is the fact that if had I bought the S3 there is a good chance by now the paint would be bubbling around the rear light clusters, the side exit exhausts would have changed their angle of dangle , the interior would have water stains and the wings may have dints from the inside where stones have been propelled at them from the tyres as there are no liners to protect them.
I love Morgans and if I'm buying a trad I know it's an old design made with modern running gear and everyting that goes with it. If I'm paying well over £100K there are a few things I'd like to take as a given, qauilty and water tightness is one of them. I'm now in a position to buy an Aero derivative if I wanted to but at the moment the afore mentioned will stop me, irrespective of what type of dealership is selling it.
I'm sure if MMC wanted to they could create a hood that doesn't leak, but maybe that's what most Morgan owners want. I'm with you on the roof situation considering the cost of an Aero S3 ..... my son has a £2K MX5 and that's as water tight as a ducks Proverbial.... so why o why has no one at the MMC resolved this ongoing problem ? Could it be that no one tells Mr CM that they are not going to spend thousands of ££££££s on a soft top car that leaks and that's another lost sales opportunity and possibly a 'customer for life' Having not sat in the latest Aero derivatives do the seats have any adjustment in the backrest? It was not even an option on an Aero 8 when I was looking although you could have it on the trad, at a price! But then you missed out on the fun of having someone make you a bespoke leather pad to match your interior so you didn't get back ache. A few reasonable bits of development (which on any other make would be taken as a given) and the Morgan customer base could grow significantly. I'm sure MMC know exactly how many people bought a car , do they know how many 'lost opportunites' they have and why? It would be easy to have a feedback form on their website, Tell us why you bought a Morgan and Tell us why you didn't. My hesitation on the purchase of the Aero 8 is pretty much stated. If I could find a water tight one with a 5 year paint and corrosion warranty MMC woud have another sale, new or 'pre owned'.
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