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The nyloc part of the nut is not engaged so what is stopping the nut from coming undone?

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Just checked by feel.....I can feel a thread at least - it's locktited so I'm not too worried. I think the bracket will crack before the nut loosens.

Oh and one more thing - the damper can't slide off the lug, there isn't enough clearance, and since I'm an expert in compensating when it's completely disconnected.............. innocent


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.....and since I'm an expert in compensating when it's completely disconnected.............. innocent


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This is Bumble's rear damper mini-nut!


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Update:
I spoke to Chris Bailey at the recent NCM about the damper brackets and he told me that Tim Ayres at New Elms Morgan manufactures his own version.
Tim has been in touch, and although now too late for me, the brackets look good. Different vesions are available.




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Post Photobucket Reboot............
From August 2013.

I spoke too soon that the Roadster had behaved impeccably............but it did get us home OK.
On the way to the event on Sunday, we heard a loud pinging noise, like a hammer hitting a tube, from the nearside rear. The road wasn't especially bumpy, and I wondered if a spoke had snapped. On later inspection the spokes were intact and the Morgan drove normally, so I though no more about it. A large stone hitting the exhaust could cause such a noise.

However, I've spent today cleaning the Roadster, including underneath, and I found that the offside lower shock absorber mounting, which connects the damper to the brake backplate has sheared off. It's not a great design, as the bolt holes are on the edge of the metal plate, but the direct acting force - you would imagine - would be down. But the way this bracket has fractured shows a sideways force at work.
I have ordered both sides, but will be off the road until the factory can supply. Look at the top edge of the left hand small piece and you can see a badly finished sawtooth pattern, ideal for encouraging a stress fracture.

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From the side you can see how this bracket has been bent:

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And here is the other side, which looks sound, but there isn't much metal around those holes!

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What is amazing is that we motored over 400 miles with the offside damper totally disconnected. It never banged and there were some periods at fairly high speed round corners, and it never felt twitchy. There was no sign of the damage.
With hindsight, the only thing I do recall was that under hard acceleration, it seemed to squat more than normal at the rear. I put that down to the luggage.

From now on I won't worry so much about the number of clicks..............

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Frank, the dampers are not causing the cracks when acting as dampers, only when acting as anti-tramps.
When the power is on and the propshaft puts the torque into the pinion, the crownwheel turns the halfshafts, together in the case of an LSD. With grip at the tyres, the axle casing will rotate backwards with equal and opposite force while ever there is equilibrium as the car accelerates. If traction breaks there will be a sharp rocking effect between power on and slip, and the part which controls most of the movement - these brackets, will be violently flexed.
That's whats going on. It would be less of a problem with no LSD.
Here's the photo I promised.



According to BHM, most if not all cars are now coming with a limited slip diff. Mr Bumble has one.

Now I must log off for a glass of wine and an early night. Another early start tomorrow for Devon.
Back next Thursday.

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The new ones are a tad thicker I think. If Plus 4's can break them then maybe the damper is part to blame but it doesn't explain why mine was pulled away from the backplate.
All sorted now.................
I've washered both sides. This is the tight access inside the brake drum.





You can see the thick washer here.



I've also increased the thickess of the washer on the stub. The one furthest away in this photo.



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This is Bumble's rear damper mini-nut!



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Update:
I spoke to Chris Bailey at the recent NCM about the damper brackets and he told me that Tim Ayres at New Elms Morgan manufactures his own version.
Tim has been in touch, and although now too late for me, the brackets look good. Different vesions are available.



And that's it................... thumbs


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Holy thread resurrection!

So my bottom shock mounts have failed. And we are on holiday driving through Devon and Cornwall.

A few day before we left i fitted the spring assists - bump stops- and glad I did. Yesterday, just after coming off the Torpoint ferry I heard an ‘odd’ noise. And then a few miles later a metal on metal screeching from the right rear which then stopped. Now 10 miles from Looe I carried on with care as the brakes felt ok and application didn’t re-introduce the noise.

Quick google search found an independent garage in Looe that closed at 5.30pm. We got there just after 5!

Chap was reluctant to start looking so late in the day but when he realised we were on holiday and still had a way to go to our evening stop he agreed to take a look. Initially when removing the drum or looked like one of the drive shaft bolts had failed as there was a loose nut. But closer inspection revealed the offside rear shock bracket had failed completely and the near side was close to failing

Well the chap scratched hi head and then said he could use the non failed side as a template to weld a temporary repair to the failed bracket and also repair/strengthen the other side

3 hours later we were back on the road with the advice to get the brackets changed as a soon as we can. Well the car is booked in to New elms as soon as we get back

But what a result from a proper old school garage

And the cost? 3 hours at normal Labour rates. £195 plus £15 for parts!!! At 8.30 pm

If you find yourself in Looe with a disaster go to this M Clark Motors

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They failed on my Roadster in Sorrento. Siimilar result , half the cost but the welder spent I am sure half a day parading about in my car.
The later ones are c £60 a side and a very different design. Replace them the weld I can tell you will fail. But I have an old non wlded one you can have for the postage if you want.


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Thanks John but I will replace both with the New Elms items week after next. Not glad this happened but glad if it had to happen it was in UK and near this garage

We are off to France in September - what else are s liable to catastrophic failure that I should check?

And what obvious spares should carry?


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