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Learn something new everyday here, Nick55!! smile


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Just seen a BT Infinity van sitting by the street box 100 meters from my home.

If they are upgrading we will get at least 40Mb...Whoo!


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According to Ookla I'm getting 62.79Mb download and 2.80 Mb upload.

Although I'm in fairly rural East Hants we've had Virgin cable here for some time ... in fact I'm not even on the highest package. The whole thing (including TV and phone) costs me £65 a month though frown

I see that I could also get BT Infinity up to 50Mb.

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Originally Posted By Aldermog
Just seen a BT Infinity van sitting by the street box 100 meters from my home.

If they are upgrading we will get at least 40Mb...Whoo!


Go for it Peter! I was struggling along at,on a good day (i.e.. not school holidays!) 0.6Mb as I was at the end of not a very good line from the exchange in the next village. BT introduced Infinity a good 9 months earlier than first planned and I jumped to around 28Mb and since then it has slowly crept up to 40. In fact I tested it this morning and it was running at 43Mb.....obviously a quiet time.


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Originally Posted By Graham, G4FUJ
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You got that right, graham.


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If anyone wants a full walk through on the technology I am happy to post it.

Highlights.

DSL came in and gave up 2Mb depending on distance from exchange >3Km
DSL+ came in and gave 8Mb at the same cable length

BT Infinity is known as FTLOC or Fibre to the local cabinet gave 36 or 72Mb depending on quality of cable and distance from local cabinet. This means driving a faster uplink from the exchange into the national backbone and then instead of homing the copper links all the way back to the exchange you distribute it to local cabinets allowing a shorter/faster final copper link.

The van may have Infinity on the side but this has no direct bearing on what the engineer is fitting !

All of these are download speeds and the upload speed is usually a 20% max of this. None of the carriers (BT etc) want you running a datacentre in your house as this this would stop them selling you space in their datacentre !

Contention is a separate thing that applies regardless of the click speed on the line and shows how many people you are fighting with for the up link. As an example if the provision 100Mbits to a local exchange they will sell 20 times that and you can all fight for it at peak periods. This shows as a quick response but still a long time to download during peak periods as you share with more people. Home can be from 50:1 down to 20:1 and "Business DSL" packages are usually better to provide consistency as well as better support for faults.

Download volume called "unlimited" is the total amount downloaded but can still also be split by "peak times" or typically 5pm-8am which is when residential broadband gets heavily used. You may get unlimited but during peak periods if you go over an average they will rate limit the % of the volume you get. This is referred to as throttling or choking your connection to give others a chance. Check for fair usage policy in the Ts&Cs

In many cases you don't feel the extra speed on a single machine when you go from 8Mb to 36Mb but this is due to the problem being that the remote host you are linking to (web server pushing pages to your screen) simply is not fast enough to push them faster in line with your new shiny super cable. Where you will see the speed difference is if you use a TiVO or Sky+ to download a video in which case it will download very fast. You will also see it when many users in your house are surfing at the same time, response will not appear to sag under load.

When you are using speed test you need to consider a couple of things. For a speed test to be useful it needs to be done with a single PC cabled (100Mb at least) directly to the router with no one else connected. As broadband speed is a simple measure of the click speed from your house to the exchange (and so nothing to do with the dozens of onwards hops to the server and thousands of others you share these with) it should be tested in this manner.

The best way of doing this (if you are on a BT based link) is the wholesale broadband speed test site. http://speedtest.btwholesale.com/ in general this will test the local loop from your house to the local fibre cabinet or exchange.

Using WiFi to test performance is bad as this is a very variable medium, if you are on the Infinity 36 or 72Mb service even 802.11n will have problems giving you a clear run at an honest speed test. If you are on 2/8 Mb DSL then a good signal should be less of an issue if you are in the same room.

If you are testing against a remote host then the hop from your PC to the router, to the exchange/cabinet, to the core network point, to the backbone, to the remote datacentre, to the host is all in the chain. As is the performance of the host at that moment. It represents that path to that host at that moment. The web is not that simple to speed check.

If you are on Virgin/Cable all of this is not directly useful. Cable is more like FTLOC due to its architecture. It should be comparable to the Infinity for raw speed but it can suffer from a lot higher contention levels and so slow during peak hours.

If anyone wants any help they are welcome to PM.


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Interesting to read. Apparently your in the UK are quite lucky.

Here in my German village, which is only 5 miles from the next larger city, I get 2.4 Mb through the German Telekom DSL, and this is the fastest cable connection that is available here. Shame.

In the same location I get 13 Mb via my mobile phone ...


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109er, it seems to vary with where you live.
We lived in Wesel NRW during the 1990s and have kept in contact with some friends. they tell us that in the small village we lived in, 4km from Wesel, there is Telekom fibre to the house, with over 100 Mb....


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Thanks for that Alistair.....I knew a bit about the subject but you've enhanced it! Just tested my speeds using your BT test link, following all their instructions and according to that I'm getting 45.8 Mbps and 12.9 Mbps. My modem is cabled direct to my Mac.


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Just to put my Techy hat on, we are with TalkTalk primarily for the TV box. We live in a small village 2 miles from the exchange and .5 mile from the cabinet. We had 2 previous suppliers for Broadband and phone and both had been poor and erratic. When I took the TalkTalk TV package they sold it to me on the phone saying that we would get 6mbs and would be able to use the service. I new this unlikely, so several time I questioned this in the conversation as I intended to refer back to it later.

So in came TalkTalk and only 3mbs, and after several phone calls and 3 engineers (one from BT who made the service worse), all throttling was removed as they had sold us 6mbs. We now get 4.5 -6 mbs.. No infrastructure changes just the software on the switch(exchange).


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