Talk Morgan Forums Community The Malvern Arms Sheffield - Manchester tunnel

Yes, a good stimulus to the economy. If public money is to be spent on anything, infrastructure projects are where it should be spent in my view.

This is why I refuse to get very concerned by the EU issue, it is cheap entertainment.

In context:
We spend close to 4 times as much on the MOD and plan to increase to 2%.
The NHS costs us 6.3% of GDP.

Likewise EU immigration.
87% of EU migrants, according to HMRC, work and mostly do jobs Brit wouldn't do, so they neither steal jobs nor cost us much.

I ignore the EU, at worst it is just an irritation.
I also ignore the UK media, it is controlled by people who make Mr Trump look reasonable.

Which side of the tunnel would the passport control be installed.
With one side always being right and the other side never being wrong!

I didn't realise our sovereignty was sold so cheaply.

Not a hope in hell it will be full of emigrants as soon as its opened.





quote=scratched]My first thoughts are that I would love to have a blast through it in a Plus 8! [/quote]

What about investing in railfreight?
RoRo style or container style to reduce lorries on long haul journeys. Local distribution from hubs.
Use overnight for longer hauls as there is less passenger traffic.
I remember the rail tanker trains coming from refineries in Pembrokeshire.
A huge sum is propsed for HS2 with a new line...for limited numbers of passengers to save 20 mins!
Smacks of money for the backers of politicians to me, now, a dual use line for freight too....much better and helping manage overcrowded roads.
If the Northern Powerhouse is so important to justify HS2 cost then why only for passengers in limited numbers? Will Joe Bloggs pay extra for a 20 min saving or just execs on expenses?
Concorde was awesome but in the end only provided for the few who could afford it in most cases.

We need a larger loading gauge to make this viable.
In the USA and most of Europe truck trailers can be loaded onto flat cars.

In the UK the container has to come off the truck.
Which is why it won't work.

The only railway built to the Continental loading gauge was the now closed Great Central. Odd that.
The Labour MP for Luton North, Kelvin Hopkins, proposed the re-opening of the GCR as cheaper alternative to HS2.
Hopkins had previously advocated re-opening the GCR as Central Railway – a freight line for a direct container transport connection between continental Europe and northern England – in 2002 - and was ignored.

So, it can be concluded that the powers that be think re-opening the only line built to a European loading gauge and so able to take containers off the roads is not a viable option and the line is best used as preservation steam line and foot path.

Sheffield Victoria is long gone, but the Station Hotel is still standing and in use. A typically grand railway building.

1.1 percent sounds small - £8.5 billion sounds very big!

Would even cover the £7.3 billion BBC annual budget!

woodhead tunnels still there...get them sorted