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Sadly this country is selling its assets and its soul to the Chinese. It will come back to haunt us one day. Perhaps rather than vote to leave the EU, we should vote to replace Cameron and his cronies? The problem is, who on earth do we have to replace them?

Indeed. Sadly I can't see effective opposition from anyone at the moment. One of the reasons I think we should stay in the EU is precisely because we can't risk being at the sole mercy of our own political classes.

I will admit that one of the reasons that made me vote to join the Common Market all those years ago was the distrust of our UK governments. It is sad that we have such as poor choice at general elections. The thought of being in hoc to the Chinese is frightening.

The thought of being in hoc to the Chinese is frightening.

Not as frightening as being in hoc to Gerinski Corbaninski.

I remember there was just as much uncertainty and debate at the time.
It was also interesting that De Gaulle kept us out for a long time using his veto.
I wonder what his agenda was? given that he had a lot to be thankful for since this was not so long after WW2.

Port Talbot works produces slab steel of the type used for car bodies, white goods shells etc.even for tinplating at Trostre tinplate works for canning food.
Engineering grade steels are produced at smaller facilties.
At our works - private not BSC- we made engineering steels. 40% of volume to general producs like angles, flats etc. Feedstock to nut and bolt producers. Spark Plug grade steels etc..
We also made low alloy steels for gearbox components, car driveshafts....at one point there was a good chance that any car seen would have our steel in it. Even foreign makes.( not body panels or subframes though).
The changes to aluminium or non metallic bodies on cars is a reason for tonnage downturn in part. Certain steel plants are at risk because they are designed to make a limited range of steels.
Port Talbot continuously casts slabs that are cut to length and rolled into coils supplying sheet/ flat steel markets.
Engineering steels are usually concast to billets for sunsequent re-rolling to sections or cut and forged to components. This results in flexibility and better chances of maintaining market.
The loss of Port Talbot will devastate the region, not just the town due to large numbers of people losing work. As with pit closures. I know a number of people in Tata plants and emotions are running high. There are no and unlikely to be enough jobs for those losing out. It is going to create another round of areas falling into poverty. Redundancy and retraining money will be short term only.
Steels of other types will still be made in the UK but the large volume of Port Talbot types lost.

The first thing the government could do is stop the crazy green tax loading on such industries energy costs. It crippled them.

I agree Mike, you just need to ensure that any support does not get absorbed by waste and inefficiency. After all the banks have have had plenty of support.

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Thanks,
Peter

I think some industries are strategically important. Take your example of agriculture. We would find it difficult to survive hostilities without food. Anyone dismissing the idea that we could be at war in the future is ignoring history and that ignores history is doomed to repeat it.