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Following my visit to Mulfab on Saturday I did a bit more investigation on the web. I've established that the Mondeo sump has a thinner flange, used with a composite spacer gasket. The Morgan sump has a thicker flange with a cast in groove which takes a simple rubber seal. My conclusion to all this is that the Morgan Sump is an Escape sump. However, the composite spacer gasket is available on e-bay USA as an Escape gasket, but for years 2001 to 2003. It's therefore reasonable to assume that the sump changed at 2004. Here's a clue.......... I found this entry: 2004 FORD ESCAPE XLT 3.0 DURATEC 24V DOHC V6 OIL PAN  The groove and seal is clearly visible here.  OE part numbers are quoted as: 5L8Z-6675-AA, 7L8Z-6675-A and ZZC2-10-400 Also fits Mazda Tribute and Mercury Mariner....... Dorman make a replacement steel oil pan for $63, but it's as deep as the alloy sump, athough it would be easier to modify. Obviously the Ford Escape also suffers from sump damage or this part would not be available!!!
DaveW
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1. I am in the process of restoring the springs on my car, equipped with a TR4 engine, as there is no compression of any kind and probably set up for an old iron Ford V8.
2. The current over-strength front coil spring have:
At least 18 coils;
9 mm thick wire
A free height of 270
Outside dia 59
Giving an approximate spring tension rate of 180 to 190 lbs.
3. Can you please tell me the details of the correct sized front coil springs for my car including:
Length
Wire diameter
Number of coils
Spring rate
Inside or outside dia
Kind regards and best wishes
John Bell
Perth, Western Australia
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John Your best bet would be to ask somebody like Mulfab. http://www.mulfab.co.uk/
DaveW
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The neoprene only gasket (see the picture at the begining of this thread) sourced on the basis of the advice from MMC is part number 4802294 and appears to fit but I can't be sure how much it adds to the depth of the sump once in place.
Roady
Last edited by Roady; 08/10/10 09:29 AM. Reason: more info
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Dave, did you ever look into the dorman steel sump thing?
Might be a great replacement?
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Aldermog enquired and it turns out to be cast alloy, so no help. I wondered how steel could be shaped to fit - the rear is very complex.
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Superformed using titanium alloy sheet?
Perhaps not.
Peter,
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No longer driving Tarka, the 2014 Plus 8...
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Shame.good luck tomorrow Dave.
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A little update in case anyone run into the same issue.
I just damaged the oil sump in question as it is quite low espacially on a 2006 roadster 4 seaters. The oil was starting to leak from the sump as a result.
Just as Dave stated it and following his advices, it is indeed possible to find this oil sump on Ebay. Thanks Dave!
And yes, I have been to a Ford dealer first, but they couldn't order it as the engine is not on their list in France)...
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