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Hello
Does anyone know whether Morgan when building 4/4s in the 1970s used the Ford engine number or did they stamp a separate "Morgan" number over the Ford engine number?
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Philip
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They used the Ford numbers.
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They have used the Ford engine number.
However, my 1972 4/4 doesn't have an engine number stamped on the block where Ford usually stamp them. The history of the car is known from new so its not had a replacement motor
I've several spare 711M blocks which are stamped with an engine number!
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So there you have it: they either do or they don't. 
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The last 3 (or 4) digits of the engine number are usually stamped on the flange of the bonnet hinge on the nearside towards the front. The Ford engine number is stamped on a horizontal flange on the top of the block below #1 plug.
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Hello
Thanks for the replies.
I have no engine number stamped of flange at top of bonnet, nor on flange of bonnet hinge. Sure I found some time ago part of the engine number stamped somewhere on the block but can't find it now!
Will investigate further when I do some serious cleaning.
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Philip
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Just been back through my file for the 4/4. I have the brown luggage tag despatch label for the 4/4 with an engine number on it, the bonnet halves with an engine number on them and a v5 with the engine number on it but on the engine nothing....
I've also checked my 'other' 4/4....the engine number is apparently 711M 6015 BA according to the log book 😜
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Hello
So spent a bit more time doing cleaning and looking with a torch. Arwyn, I think number you quote, and that bizarrely is on your logbook, is maybe the block casting number. I say this since I have the same number on mine.
On my logbook the number is 4C12-A1771 and the number written in the original Morgan hand written ledger for my car is also the same. On a flange for bolting to the gearbox bell housing at the rear of the engine on the nearside (about same height as coolant drain plug for block, I have found stamped 4C12, but nothing else.
Does anyone else have anything stamped in the same place?
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Hello
If anyone as able to answer my last question above I'd be most interested.
A good weekend to all.
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Philip
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Hello
I've got 6J16 on one block and M3 (or possibly M8) its not too clear in the location that you describe.
Both are 711M blocks.
Arwyn
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