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BBC News has carried the same story.... here.
Richard
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Begs the question about what the European cars. How are they being corrected or customers compensated.
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It does still represent a shocking waste of raw materials, I am sad that they cannot just be re-rated and sold at a discount so they see out their life for someone even if it is less efficient. These cars are unsaleable in America, even if they could be made legal. Most Americans hate diesel cars anyway, and ironically most of the 500,000 "Clean Diesel" buyers were environmentally-minded people who thought they were reducing CO2 emmissions by driving these frauds. They feel betrayed by VW. My daughter is one of these people, and she will be returning her 2014 VW in April. In addition to her disgust at VW, she discovered that many gas stations are discontinuing diesel sales. Last month we nearly ran out of fuel inside the Beltway because three of the four stations had quit selling diesel. In the article there is the hint that VW plans to export many of these cars, probably to hapless South Americans.
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not a lot of point in putting a link to an ariticle only available to paid viewers. All I get is a page asking me to subscribe. Me too
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VW is the shabbiest fraud company you can only imagine. Here in Germany and Europe we are talking about much more cars than just 300,000. The owners see no or only a ridiculous compensation.
One reason is that the car lobby in Germany has helped design the test cycles, and that it is legally more difficult to sue if the car shows different emission values in real operation. And so far no class action lawsuits are allowed.
The CEO of VW, Mr. Müller, is one of the most disgusting and unpleasant subjects on earth. Yesterday he said that diesel fuel subsidies should be abolished.
Customers should buy all electric cars.
VW customer fraud works in several ways: A few years ago, the customer bought a new VW. Then this wagon is or will be banished at least in the cities and suburban areas.
VW offers a small premium of e.g. 3000€ when the almost new car is returned. The customer has to buy a new car again. VW sells the old car to North Africa or the Middle East. In this way, VW has won three deals out of this fraud.
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What is the EU doing about this?
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not a lot of point in putting a link to an ariticle only available to paid viewers. Howard , I don't subscribe either !
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Curious. madmax, Alistair and BobTheTrain can all read it but I'm in the same boat as everyone else. When I click madmax's link https://www.ft.com/content/0823b6dc-bb01-11e7-8c12-5661783e5589 I get the subscription page:  I wonder how FT decides who to let in if it's not by subscription? ~iw
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I wonder if it's something to do with browser / OS?
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not a lot of point in putting a link to an ariticle only available to paid viewers. All I get is a page asking me to subscribe. Yes , its now doing 'subscribe' to me !
Geneva 2016 plus 8' The Green Godess' 4 side exits .
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