Talk Morgan Forums Morgan Sports Cars Morgan Three Wheeler & Super 3 Chassis Cracks- Lower Front Wishbone Mount

If they can build 782 cars in a year, between the factory and the dealer network, they should be able to weld in 782 brackets in less time.

Irrespective of the above - it's not a matter of time or money, it's a matter of safety.

Morgan have a duty of responsibility to advise all dealers and owners to check this area. Unfortunately it seems that, once again, they're withholding information from the owners.

It's a design fault, and all cars of this design will require modification in due course.

Better to put a program of corrective measures in place than to only react when there is a failure.

Assuming that this new lower wishbone bracket is a long term fix, if I had to deal with it, I would

(1) Contract in 5 coded welders and 5 vehicle fitters to deal specifically with this issue and allocate sufficient space for 5 vehicles to be worked on at a time, assuming that all their production staff are currently tied up.

(2) They would work in pairs with the vehicle fitter stripping parts off ready for the fabricator to grind the old brackets off and the weld the new ones on and then the vehicle fitter putting it back together.

(3) Assuming that each pair can complete a vehicle in a day (which seems generous to me) they would re-work everything pre 2014 in 32 weeks. If this work was carried out through the winter it would have negligible impact on the owners - other than the nutters who drive all year round.

(4) Incremental cost of doing this assuming that owners cover logistic costs would be

10 people x £15/hr x 40 hours per week x 32 weeks = £192,000 plus the cost of brackets, so call it circa £200,000.

(5) Last published accounts (for 2017) showed over £3m in the bank.


In conclusion - not damaging to them financially, takes away the statistical uncertainty as to whether this issue will always be progressive in nature or some will fail rapidly, ensures they maintain their reputation, no company directors end up in court, owners can drive without the niggling doubt that they may head off into the trees if it fails rapidly - all of course as long as this is a final solution.

A concise, factual, structured letter to your Vehicle regulator (who ever that is) I suspect would bring an immediate and effective response.

Our Federal Authorities bought Morgan to heal very quickly on an issue no where near as serious as these safety concerns.

But they can't act if they don't know...

Please coud you publish the list of coded welders who would work full time for £15 per hour

Is it? Who at MMC has confirmed this?

Morgan have known about this for just over 4 weeks and in that time have designed and fitted modifications to 6 of the 7 cars known on TM to have the issue (the 7th was attended to by the owner).

IF on investigation it does turn out to be a design issue or traced to a particular batch of chassis then I've confidence MMC will address it as they did with the bolt on chassis brace ie foc modification via the dealer network.

In the meantime I'll carry on enjoying my 21,000 mile, 2013 M3W

It would break a hold host of regulations if I published their names, but as I own a manufacturing company that fabricates commercial vehicle chassis at a rate of about 1000 units a year, I am very sure of my costs.

It doesn't need Morgan to confirm or otherwise.

A number of cars are failing at the same point.

Morgan have responded by modifying the design.

Ergo it's a design fault.

It happens.

Don’t think I’d want a £15/hour welder fixing my Morgan.......

The only reason for this fault now manifesting itself can only be due to either a design fault or the incorrect choice of material, or a combination of both.

What other reasons could there be?

A bad batch of tubing, a different welder, human error, problems in the chassis coating process, mishandling of the chassis during assembly, pothole damage etc.

I'm not saying it isn't a design fault but as at present its manifesting itself only on a subset of cars in a particular date range then it's wrong to simply state design fault.

What is correct is that MMC have reacted quickly to design and install a mod to affected cars.

Now the problem is known about it's an easy area of the car for owners/dealers to check.