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Originally Posted By madmax
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I always think an automatic is something I'll have when I'm old. The manual box on that BMW 3 litre engine is wonderful.



Auto used to mean P-N-D-2-1
It doesn't anymore. Some cars have semi auto which is paddleshift including many 911's which is brilliant and most would never go back to a manual as its ponderous and slow to change with a foot clutch.
The plus six has paddleshift or a sophisticated auto box.

I know, but I still never feel like I'm driving the car with one.


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I have the PDK on my poorsche.
Is it better than the sleepy Aero autobox on Violet? For sure.
Would I trade the spyder PDK with a manual one, for the same price and same specs? Tomorrow morning.
Said that, the PDK is amazing (and I am talking about the old, 10years ago, version).
If the Plus Six gearbox will be just pretty close to that, it will be simply amazing. But... on a MOG, I'd always look for the manual even if it's less comfortable or effective.


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The autobox developed a lot between Violet, Tarka (1st with paddles) and the S5, which changes very crisply, and blips the throttle on paddle downshifts.

In an auto S5's full auto mode it is slower to change up or down than you'd change manually - but if it wasn't, what's the point of either mode? I guess the soft auto acts as a buffer, and avoids unexpected changes up or down.

The S5 always *feels* faster with paddle changes, but that may be that I'm able to put the exhausts in the best *sounding* part of the range, rather than the most powerful.

& let's face it, if you drive these cars full throttle on the UK highway for any length of time, it's not going to end well :-/

Manual vs auto a moot point for me anyway - my legs are too long to use the clutch for more than a few miles, and my left knee ligaments are still trashed from teenage rugby injuries to be able to walk afterwards.

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Most high performance cars now come with paddle shifting/semi auto only.

A manual may useful for wringing out the last drop of performance, but with nearly 400 horses on tap, it's not really needed.


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If I would have liked an high performance car, for that price, I’d not have bought a Morgan. But probably I’d have already sold the other car for something more performing.


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Originally Posted By TheCustomer
The autobox developed a lot between Violet, Tarka (1st with paddles) and the S5, which changes very crisply, and blips the throttle on paddle downshifts.

Is it only electronics or did they change the gearbox? In the first case I regret that MOG did not provide an upgrade option (by paying for that).


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My Jag has a similar gearbox, I think. I have it set so that if I use the paddles it goes into tempry manual mode. If the paddles are not used for a period it returns to auto. I find it very useful at times, particularly in situations where I want to control the gear myself.

If I set it in S it is full manual. I have to say it takes a little getting used to and one could easily overrev the engine by downshifting to a gear too low.

After a couple of years of owning the Jag I find a modern auto quite acceptable. When used in manual mode it does require a little practice to get the best out of it.


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Temporary manual mode sounds like a good option!

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Originally Posted By Ale_72
Originally Posted By TheCustomer
The autobox developed a lot between Violet, Tarka (1st with paddles) and the S5, which changes very crisply, and blips the throttle on paddle downshifts.

Is it only electronics or did they change the gearbox? In the first case I regret that MOG did not provide an upgrade option (by paying for that).


iirc..

same gearbox

the paddle software had an upgrade for the S5: the software upgrade can't be retrofitted to earlier cars


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Originally Posted By TheCustomer
the software upgrade can't be retrofitted to earlier cars

That’s a pity frown


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