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Inspecting through the grease hole, my Centa rollers look good after 12,000 miles but I will find out for sure when I take the engine out next week for Phils mods. My rollers were fitted just over two years ago and were supplied to me by MMC as "improved trial" items. They seem to have lasted better than the original early 2015 items that fell apart after just under 10,000 miles. Maybe all you need to do is have post 2017 Centa rollers fitted? That said, Phil Bleazeys mods do much more for the feel of the car than just improve drivetrain life.
What kind of different feel will it give the Phil Bleazey rubbers or upgrade ? And if I’m correct informed PaulR does have the Phil Bleazey upgrade but with the original rubbers ? !
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Would it make sense (or is it possible) to make the ˋgrease hole ˋ bigger so we could easily exchange the rollers like on the Phil Bleazey upgrade ? Or is it only possible to cut this hole bigger when the engine is out ? It is not just the bigger hole that makes it possible Laurens. the middle rotor of the Centa unit has to be assembled the other way round ( as it should be ) with the removable flange on the outside of the unit. see here for details http://www.bleazey.co.uk/M3Wstage3text.htmlhttp://www.bleazey.co.uk/M3Wstage3text.html Phil
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My 2015 has had frayed bits of rubber come out of the inspection hole. Naturally come warranty time the dealer said something like "nothing to worry about sir" and "you would know if they had failed" (yes, I found bits of rubber  )... but so far no issues with performance. I have to fit the Phil-mod for the bevel box before I worry about the rollers... Drive carefully Paul, the rubber rollers exert huge sideways force on the intermediate shaft when any one ( or more ) starts to disintegrate and if you have the original set up, the shaft only has one bearing - at the other end! That said most of my customers arrive with various degrees of disintegration of the rollers and no reports of that bearing failing yet. Phil
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Paul - IMO this is clear signs of the Rollers breaking down - its a warranty issue 
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What kind of different feel will it give the Phil Bleazey rubbers or upgrade ? And if I’m correct informed PaulR does have the Phil Bleazey upgrade but with the original rubbers ? !
I have driven Bunnies car after the Bleazey Centa mods and it is smoother than before and smoother than my similarly aged M3W. The transmission seems to cope much better with low rpm and starting from still is (almost) like an ordinary car, quite an achievement with a lumpy V-twin and some built in transmission wind up. I think it is worth doing, so I am soon . PaulR tells me that there is very little difference, that he can detect, between Phils rubber inserts and the standard ones. He has tried both as it is a quick job to change them after the mods. Being able to replace the inserts easily is one of the major plus points I think.
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What kind of different feel will it give the Phil Bleazey rubbers or upgrade ? And if I’m correct informed PaulR does have the Phil Bleazey upgrade but with the original rubbers ? !
I have driven Bunnies car after the Bleazey Centa mods and it is smoother than before and smoother than my similarly aged M3W. The transmission seems to cope much better with low rpm and starting from still is (almost) like an ordinary car, quite an achievement with a lumpy V-twin and some built in transmission wind up. I think it is worth doing, so I am soon . PaulR tells me that there is very little difference, that he can detect, between Phils rubber inserts and the standard ones. He has tried both as it is a quick job to change them after the mods. Being able to replace the inserts easily is one of the major plus points I think. +1 , given impressions from my car after Phils upgrade
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This is one of my dilemmas, with the old HD comp. there was no slop, wind up or clonking in either forward or reverse, it was just like a “normal car”. Solid drive from crank to gearbox.
Does anyone suffer these characteristics with the standard Centa comp?
Still not decided which way to go.
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I recently drove a new M3W with <700 miles and a MMC stage 1 exhaust. It was a revalation of smoothness compared to my pre replacement 30k+ car.
It'll be interesting how my car performs with a new clutch and rollers and hope to get it back next week so will report then.
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I recently drove a new M3W with <700 miles and a MMC stage 1 exhaust. It was a revalation of smoothness compared to my pre replacement 30k+ car.
It'll be interesting how my car performs with a new clutch and rollers and hope to get it back next week so will report then.
I think this could be the car you’re referring to Chris 🤓 https://youtu.be/6GBXC0vDfWs
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 Filmed mainly on Ranmore Common between Dorking and West Horsley - a lovely bit of road  The car's for sale at Bell & Covill and the colour looks even better in the flesh
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