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I think Morgan's decision to build the CX chassis is not one of choice but of necessity to meet safety legislation, emissions etc and for Morgan to have kept the cart sprung and sliding pillar underpinnings since 1936 is truly amazing.

I was in Bell & Coleville yesterday and they have a very limited stock of Morgans for sale but in their Lotus showroom opposite there are literally dozens of Lotus for sale and many are in the £60K to £80K price bracket. Even Caterhams which I have always though of as kit cars are in the £40k to £50K bracket.
I'm sure therefore that the new owners of Morgan have done their market research on prices and given their limited production capability logically the best way of maximising profits and survival of the marque is to build higher priced cars.

If a 4/4 were available with the CX platform, I think the main thing stopping me from buying one is the expected price of perhaps £50K, but then again I might not have paid £40+K for a new 4/4 if the existing car had stayed in production. So as it stands Im quite happy to keep my 4/4 and maybe in a few years trade up to a secondhand CX platform car.

Having said that I haven't driven a CX platform car and maybe id be happy to keep my 4/4 forever and save myself a lot of money!


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In a couple of years time & with the benefit of hindsight it will be interesting to see what level of depreciation the CX PlusSix suffers from spend


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MORGAN AS A FOREVER CAR...?

I suspect that idea may be almost as old as the MMC (-: That Morgans were of "simple" construction as was their electrical and mechanical systems, I suspect the blacksmith could keep the thing going over many years in the very early days.. (-: Quite a few of those early Morgans and the generations that followed on are still alive and running around as the result of that simplicity of design, construction, maintenance and repair.

Likewise production was also able to survive for such a long time given there was little or no machinery involved in the MMC processes, just the skills of generations of craftsmen carrying on as the generation before, a forever process for a forever car..? Sure legislation for the mass market vehicles increased exponentially with time but fortunately it seems there were ways found to keep things much the same at the MMC, and very fortunately so for a lot longer than might have been thought possible by some..

I suspect complexity relative to legislation began to have some effect at the MMC when mass motor manufacturing was required to clean up it`s act in terms of the exhaust emissions from their engines, which for the first time added a degree of complexity for Morgan owners who had ever maintained and repaired their own cars. As one might expect of the digital age the advances in that area of technology grew at an exponential rate to the situation where today a forever Morgan may not be anything like as "simple" as it has been in times past..?

The Trad may still have some linkage to the simplicity of the past despite the increasing engine emissions complexity adding greatly to the amount of wiring and associated connection, sensors, actuators, and even mechanical aspects of the engine, did I mention Superform wings...? Yup, the trad it`s self has become considerably more complex with the passage of time to the extent that perhaps that which encouraged the hands on type to get involved with and be very fond of their Morgans over generations may have declined with the passage of time...? IF that is the case then the customer base has perhaps altered ...?

Investment potential... while wavering with time seems to be still hanging in there in the minds of many a Morganeer who may still be applying man maths justification relative to the hand crafted, coach-built heritage marketing mindset... Don`t know for sure but it seems logical that it takes more cash to own and run a "digital" Morgan relative to average income than it may have done in the earlier years right up till the hands on brigade may have declined to some degree? I suspect the digitisation may have started a process of demise in terms of DIY, abandoning the simplicity of the trad and moving towards something approaching monocoque may well cause the remnants of the hands on type of Morganeer to melt away in terms of buying a new Morgan, leaving it to those who are happy or need to pay others to maintain and repair their Morgans, which will still be carefully designed and marketed in a way that contains an essence of the heritage of the marque.... a bit of HAND varnished wood here and there, or perhaps an automated perfume spray of ode de ash, into the air-con.....(-:

AIR-CON..in a Morgan...!!!! Such is the effect of evolution and our ever increasing expectations thereof, that since I joined the MSCC DG at it`s inception and on through eMog and now here, I have read of folk seeking to resolve the St Malvern`s dance, improve engine performance and perhaps the knock-on effects of over heating, necessary brake upgrades to cope with higher speeds, improved handling to keep it out of the hedgerows as the result of those same higher speeds..... After which there seemed to be a change in ideals of Morgan folk who began to look at possibilities for power steering, more comfortable suspension, perhaps a tad more bling, and with that more heater performance perhaps even an auto-box and wider doors, air-con can`t be too far away..... Had you asked me about that kind of stuff 20 years ago, I might have replied that it would all have been as useful as an ashtray on a motor cycle.... TODAY.... Well we are all getting older, our expectations and NEEDS have altered... Truth be told wider doors and a slow acting ejector seat on my mid 80`s +8 might seem to better fit my NEEDS these days.. (-:

As for new buyers expectations.... I suspect a bit like us...err...mature Morganeers, they expect degrees of comfort that we have become used to in our mundane-mobiles, when they jump into a new and rather expensive Morgan to try it for size...? That being the case the CX seems a logical next step..?

Quick rewind.... Morgans as a forever car... Hmm? I suspect the possibilities of that have evolved with time and as the MMC have moved towards modernity initially dragged there kicking and screaming over the years..? I suspect the inevitability of the evolution in mainstream customer expectations has to be matched ..perhaps so much so that Morgan`s will loose some of the essence that kept them going as they once did as that which was infinitely repairable relative to it`s "simple" construction may now be lost...?

Investment potential/ man maths....Yup there are those today who are prepared to pay out fortunes to restore hi-tec machinery, though those prepared to do so with the possibility/probability of financial loss..hmm? Market trends... I am NO economist, though they tell me those at the top of the finance industry were......Yet we all have lived with the effects of the crash, and that was BEFORE the mention of Global warming in every news broadcast, and best not forget Brexit,the REAL effect which we have yet to witness if/when it comes to pass and the years thereafter....? As for wealth distribution.. Apparently the last time there existed the phenomenon of the rise of so called "Top 1%" peaked in the 1920`s.... Now that was a CRASH....a 100 year cycle perhaps.... OUCH..!

Best go buy that new Morgan NOW.... but perhaps less than ideal to borrow to buy it..???

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MMC may be abandoning the entry model, but having got used to charging a very substantial price for even that model, it would seem most unlikely that the upwards trend for pricing could now be reversed.
By way of comparison the three wheeler at £39,500 seems highly priced when a similar three wheeler can be had for £24,000 from the Pembleton Motor Company.

To my mind the great pity is that such a loyal customer following as Morgan enjoys is in danger of evaporating for the want of a more affordable model. If a competitor can afford to produce a three wheeler for two thirds of the price, that same competitor could produce a convertible to undercut the next generation 4/4 by a similar amount.


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I don't think it can be rationalised. I suspect most trad buyers buy one, and keep it, or get rid quickly.

So they are irrelevant going forward. But the ones in this group who do matter are the ones who buy another or trade up. This group are not likely to be looking at rivals.

I think the CX programme is to suck in a new group, which is what its doing.

The Aero and M3W did this, and some of those buyers then eventually bought trads.


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The big thing in my mind is that the aluminium chassis cars get written off so easily. It doesn't take much damage for it to be thrown away. Whereas the old steel chassis cars can last forever; the last time I saw a statistic was in that university study where the 4/4 came out so high on eco score precisely because so many of them were still going 70 years later. The new method seems to have "throwaway" in it's genes...... doesn't it?
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Having read Peter J's recent repair costs for the Aero based chassis I think getting a CX chassis car as a retirement thing will not necessarily be a good gamble to take. They could have carried out a lot of modifications to prevent this rate of wear of course on the new model ?


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Originally Posted by +8Rich

Having read Peter J's recent repair costs for the Aero based chassis I think getting a CX chassis car as a retirement thing will not necessarily be a good gamble to take. They could have carried out a lot of modifications to prevent this rate of wear of course on the new model ?


It very much depends on your perspective. Buying into a Plus Six (from a Trad) will in most cases mean an extra £30-40k (ball park).

Does the extra cost align with extra driving comfort/pleasure? Will that pleasure sustain over time? That's a very personal judgement.

Is it better than the Aero's? Is it a better long term experience? Will it undermine demand for late Aeros's? Who knows.

Longer term, dealer service costs, and vulnerability to tub damage are things which are not relevant to Trads.
The great strength of the Trad is relatively easy servicing and repair, with a real vintage feel.

We all want slightly different things, and there is probably enough of us to cover planned production.

If I were to buy a CX, I'd bring it home, add neoprene in selective places, and close the garage door. Just now I don't want that from my Morgan.


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Having read Peter J's recent repair costs for the Aero based chassis I think getting a CX chassis car as a retirement thing will not necessarily be a good gamble to take. They could have carried out a lot of modifications to prevent this rate of wear of course on the new model ?


It very much depends on your perspective. Buying into a Plus Six (from a Trad) will in most cases mean an extra £30-40k (ball park).

Does the extra cost align with extra driving comfort/pleasure? Will that pleasure sustain over time? That's a very personal judgement.

Is it better than the Aero's? Is it a better long term experience? Will it undermine demand for late Aeros's? Who knows.

Longer term, dealer service costs, and vulnerability to tub damage are things which are not relevant to Trads.
The great strength of the Trad is relatively easy servicing and repair, with a real vintage feel.

We all want slightly different things, and there is probably enough of us to cover planned production.

If I were to buy a CX, I'd bring it home, add neoprene in selective places, and close the garage door. Just now I don't want that from my Morgan.


As I have said previously I could be interested in a Plus Six in a couple of years when they have shaken out the bugs if there are any that come to light wink.

It needs a manual box and decent sounding exhaust on it first mind you, the one at FOS sounded like a strangled cat.

What I would not expect is a £5k cost for a front suspension rebuild at 30k miles, I don't find that acceptable at all in a car costing North of 85k so we shall see how time serves the CX chassis.

I will always want the same from my Morgan's and that is get out and go whenever you fancy a drive salt conditions being the exception to the rule and wouldn't ever want to lock one up in the garage.

I shall watch with interest the genuine road experiences of the Plus Six owners before I make up my mind, leaving the Plus 8 would be the toughest call though so it will need to be very special for me to jump.


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Originally Posted by nick w
The big thing in my mind is that the aluminium chassis cars get written off so easily. It doesn't take much damage for it to be thrown away. Whereas the old steel chassis cars can last forever; the last time I saw a statistic was in that university study where the 4/4 came out so high on eco score precisely because so many of them were still going 70 years later. The new method seems to have "throwaway" in it's genes...... doesn't it?
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All cars get written off - with the same mindset......one that is based on purely financial terms/reasons'.

If an Insurer - see's that the fix of a damaged car is just a few percentage points over the vehicles "pre-accident value".....it WILL be written off.

Most Insurers work on 55 to 65% of the PAV, once the repair cost is over this threshold...the car in question is toast.

The CX or the Trad - are/will be just pound signs/numbers on a spread sheet for an Insurance Co.


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