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Originally Posted by lowebird
That "stuff" from Peters Jaguar is unbelievable but in the case of the accident, it is brilliant in that if he had needed medical help, it would have already been requested and to think, I haven't even got any door handles !!!


No door handles = less to go wrong, added security and better aerodynamics!


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Originally Posted by Stringers Best Mate
It's all getting very high tech, isn't it..?

It's remarkable that they have the data, but don't appear to use it commercially. I may be wrong, but isn't it all about permissions when you're loaded with things like this..? The information on movements will rely upon satellites and the usual GPS points, and it's my understanding that currently, the accuracy isn't sufficient to beyond 'Reasonable Doubt'. Again, I may be wrong on that one.


It's going to become global which makes each states laws a rough interface with a lot of gaps as everything in global IT/Retail does in this online age. There needs to be a real shake up but no-one has an appetite to do it. Lets face it we cannot even sort out bi-directional extradition with the USA over a death so how do we expect to know if we should pass data between us for a speeding offence! I don't mean that in a rude manner, just a degree of worry over it becoming a friction source between countries in the future.

As for licences, they pretty much own your data and you have already agreed to it without realising in many cases. When you first load an application or use a product it flashes up "these are the terms and conditions" and the whole world presses yes without reading it. Within the Yes is "we own your data and will decide where it lives, who has access to it and what we decide". Too late your done on both sides and ready for Christmas. Ther is a popular new team collaboration software called SLACK. There is a free version available for small teams with the aim of getting you on board for growing your business. If you take the free version then everything you put into the system is the property of SLACK and they can choose where it is stored and what they use it for, including other companies. If you use the paid version the content remains yours. Nothing is free. This is true of every service and becoming more intrusive with Alexa listen to your favourite words, what you watch on the TV, and leading to adverts and your interests being sold on as advertising fodder to bring them revenue.

The manufacturers are using the data, mostly for engineering feedback at this point. Soon it will be to deny warranty, upsell you software driven features on the car, remind you of service intervals, offer you special winter deals etc etc, Just think what happens when the car goes handsfree and those 10 inch displays currently showing you the speed and mpg/range will start to show! If you pay extra it will be TV and Internet (Apple CarPlay option price?) and if not you are going to get adverts as you pass buy shops etc! Just guessing.

The accuracy does not give you final resolution but I would expect that the being a significant contributor to reasonable evidence aligned with other things. Especially if someone denies something up front and then finds this proves otherwise. Crosscheck Crosscheck Crosscheck - gap - lie - charge!


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I am unsure if the data monitoring on LR vehicles is automatically collected, given it seemed to be optional via a supplied code to be entered to enable tracking to begin ...?

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Originally Posted by Luddite
I am unsure if the data monitoring on LR vehicles is automatically collected, given it seemed to be optional via a supplied code to be entered to enable tracking to begin ...?

Oh, I'd have thought the data is all collected as a matter of course. Owners have an option to buy into the tracking system to be able to access that data (or, presumably, to file a GDPR request every month if they would rather go through the tedium of that process than pay the subscription fee). Plod, armed with a warrant, can get the data whether the subject has subscribed or not.

Originally Posted by Stringers Best Mate
It's all getting very high tech, isn't it..?

It's remarkable that they have the data, but don't appear to use it commercially. I may be wrong, but isn't it all about permissions when you're loaded with things like this..? The information on movements will rely upon satellites and the usual GPS points, and it's my understanding that currently, the accuracy isn't sufficient to beyond 'Reasonable Doubt'. Again, I may be wrong on that one. Either way, investigating a murder has certainly moved on in Midsummer village..!

On a separate note, I read somewhere that the insurance 'black box' initiative for newly qualified drivers has been proven to be so faulty it's almost fraudulent.

Speed limiting however, is a much different matter.. Over speeding could even be handled away from the Police then. DVLA for instance.. And they NEVER make mistakes, do they..?

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Accuracy with a "straight" GPS signal in the UK will pinpoint a vehicle to within about a metre, so plenty accurate enough to establish the whereabouts of a car at a particular time, down to which parking bay it is in in a car park, or which side of a driveway it's parked, for example.

The only issues with accuracy of GPS come when looking to get autonomous vehicles to park close to the edge of a road (with no painted line or easily defined kerb, otherwise of course it would use a camera or lidar scanner to sort it out). Using differential GPS, which requires some seriously complex mathematics to detect phase differences in the carrier waves from a minimum of two GPS satellites, it's quite possible to get centimetre-level accuracy for a GPS receiver on the ground anywhere in the world. That's a bit expensive yet for mass production in passenger cars, but is already in place in farm machinery, autonomous heavy equipment in mining, and increasingly in high-end drones used for airborne survey and mapping applications.


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