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Bloody ridiculous. Increased traffic density, travel time, etc and practically no effect on carbon emissions. But then politicians need to be seen as doing something to justify their existence. I hope this doesn't spread. Dutch to cut motorway speed limit in March, minister confirms Society December 3, 2019 ![[Linked Image]](https://www.dutchnews.nl/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/traffic-sign-130-e1496818059518.png) Photo: Wikimedia Commons The new daytime speed limit of 100 kph on Dutch roads will come into effect on March 16, infrastructure minister Cora van Nieuwenhuizen has told MPs. The speed limit cut is one of a package of emergency measures the government is introducing to reduce nitrogen compound pollution following a court ruling in May. The Council of State said then the Netherlands is not doing enough to combat pollution and effectively halted thousands of new construction projects. By limiting motorway speeds, nitrogen compound pollution will go down, allowing more construction projects to resume, the minister said. The new signposting will be installed from March 12 to March 16. Motorists will still be able to drive at 120 kph or 130 kph in the evening on some roads. The government has also agreed to allocate €250m extra to help regenerate natural areas which have been damaged by the impact of too much nitrogen, and will introduce emergency legislation to ensure coastal protection schemes and essential road and waterway works can go ahead. The composition of animal feed may also be altered to reduce the amount of ammonia in manure. The government earlier set aside €60m to compensate pig farmers who shut down their businesses. The livestock industry is a major producer of nitrogen-based pollution. Read more at DutchNews.nl:
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Bloody ridiculous. Increased traffic density, travel time, etc and practically no effect on carbon emissions. The article states that it's intended to reduce nitrogen compound emissions, not carbon. And there are loads of studies out there which prove that to increase overall traffic throughput a reduced peak limit improves average speeds, it's the whole principle of smart motorways as it reduces or eliminates the standing wave effect. Could it be that you don't like this move because you like to drive fast on motorways?
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Sorry. Two bit of news in the one article . The nitrogen damage is mainly due to run-off from pig farms. This increase nitrogen in the waterways leading to all sorts of problems such as algae blooms which suffocate normal marine life. Also pollutes groundwater with nitrogen and phosphorus. It is a totally different issue to the automotive emissions and I am sure it is quite justifiable,
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It will increase what the Dutch call the second road tax i.e. speeding fines. Most of the roads around the larger urban area of the Randstatt (Rotterdam, Den Haag & Amsterdam) are 100 anyway.
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I’m not a fan of so- called Smart motorways- because as they are busy ( potentially) saving the environment - I’m getting killed because there is no hard shoulder to pull on to in an emergency.
The way that the 50/60 signs are randomly switched on/off on a clear afternoon with little traffic on the M5/M4- cannot have anything to do with traffic flow- more cash flow- into the local coffers.
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it is only a few years ago that the Dutch increased the speed limit to 130 km/h on some sections, e.g. in the northeast of friesland, and justified this very reasonably. The general public could travel faster. Now the wheel is turned back. Our Dutch friends on TM will know better...
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Bloody ridiculous. Increased traffic density, travel time, etc and practically no effect on carbon emissions. But then politicians need to be seen as doing something to justify their existence. I hope this doesn't spread.
In France in 2019, as a sop to the Gilets Jaunes, Prime Minister Edouard Philippe partially reversed the 2018 decision to reduce speed limits on rural roads in France from 90km/h to 80km/h. He rather copped out by devolving the matter to local government, so that now in about half of the départements of France the limit is 80km/h and in the rest it is 90km/h. This cunningly increases the potential for raising revenue on fines, due to uncertainty from motorists as to the speed limit operating wherever they happen to be.... FWIW, the period over which it was reduced to 80 everywhere showed a drop in road fatalities compared to the average over the previous 5 years. If it's about pollution in Holland, maybe the Dutch should consider allowing people in EVs to still drive at 130km/h on motorways. That should add to the general confusion.
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USA, Australia and others have quite rigid speed limits. After adapting to the slow speed driving I always felt quite relaxed, even driving long distances there. Returning back home I normally keep the slow speed mode for some time until I‘m back to normal. Cruising seems to be more rewarding than speeding. Most of my cars I drive with cruise control buttons instead of using the gas pedal.
All the money I save on petrol and speeding tickets I can spend in restaurants.
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After driving MotorHomes for 20 years all over Europe, I am quite used to driving in the "slow" lane. It saves fuel, gives you a little more reaction time and makes the whole driving experience more relaxed.
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New Zealand has a 100 kph limit and for their roads which are generally single carriageways with lots of twisty bits it makes sense. Not to sure though of the motorway from Amsterdam to Groningen which is long flat & boring.
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