Talk Morgan Forums Morgan Sports Cars Maintenance & Servicing spinner grease

i am now the proud owner of a Lionel widget.
It means i can at last get the rear wheels off the car for cleaning.

My question :- Is copper ease grease on the splines and spinners a suitable material?

What is the required torque?

I have read the various threads on the topic of how tight which seems to advocate 3 or 4 smacks with the hammer after a hand tightening.
If this is done will the torque required to then loosen the spinner be a good indication.
The lionel widget does allow the extension bar (scafffold tube ) to just lean on the spanner. ie no shock loads
Has anyone asked the manufacturer what their recommendation is for torque settings?

From my personal experience over the years ( and I'm no expert ) I have found that a nice coat of normal grease on the hub splines plus a couple of good wacks on the spinners ( they are self tightening ) does the trick. Obviously they should be checked after the first run out to make sure.

When I first purchased my Morgan, I asked the factory about torque and was told just to use the hammer. Similarly, MWS who make the wheels state on their website that there is no specified torque. They suggest a couple of hammer taps whilst wheels are off ground to ensure centralising and another two when on the ground. Any grease is better than none, and I use the same as on my king pins. I find that a liberal coating at the inner end of the splines up over the conical mating surfaces helps prevent those “dunk” noises when changing direction.

Paul

You will soon develop a feeling for how tight the nuts need to be. It doesn't have to be desperately tight because as Reg states they are self-tightening.

Regarding grease, I would just use a "standard" low melting point option rather than a copper based alternative on the spinner threads.

A Morgan-owning lubrication expert who no longer frequents this forum thought that the copper based greases could possibly reduce the coefficient of friction sufficiently to allow the wheel spinner to come undone in marginal situations . Although I have never heard of this happening , I respect his knowledge in these matters and have stuck to the cheaper alternatives ever since.

The copper based greases are fine for the splines , but the idea of using two different greases on adjacent areas just does not make much sense to me
, as I tended to do both jobs at the same time.

About torque;

https://www.oldtimertools.de/Safety/

My 4/4 has wire wheels with the hexagon nut, no ears. I have a large socket and use a torque wrench to tighten them. I have used only 80ftlbs and marked the nuts relative to the spokes. The nuts have never moved so I see no reason to use very high torque values and massive breaker bars.

I have always used copper slip on the splines etc.
I do them up to the point of not turning the breaker bar with about 18 inches to 2 ft of "handle". You really don't need much.

I ask the factory (service ans parts dept.) about two years ago: grease it, with no spec.

Allways no problems to undo the spinners. I was also in contact with MWS when I change over from hex-nuts to twoeared spinners:
also grease the threads and where the nuts Center the hub! And: for both nuts no special torque.

Greets René

IIRC, I thought he advised against Moly (Molybdenum Disulfide) grease and coppa slip was okay, I've used copper based for many years & had no issues & also use it on wheel nuts for alloys

The correct grease for the splines is Castrol Graphite grease, horrible black stuff.....