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TBM #721329 12/10/21 08:57 PM
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It'll be alright on the night wink just a lot more tolerance is all that's needed... now where is that 7/16 ring spanner..


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Originally Posted by +8Rich
It'll be alright on the night wink just a lot more tolerance is all that's needed...


Agree 100%. Just didn't see much evidence of tolerance in the thread. Whole bunch of whinging, but little tolerance smile smile

Still can't find my 10mm......


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Originally Posted by TBM
Originally Posted by +8Rich
It'll be alright on the night wink just a lot more tolerance is all that's needed...


Agree 100%. Just didn't see much evidence of tolerance in the thread. Whole bunch of whinging, but little tolerance smile smile

We are in agreement there thumbs

You will..


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Well I'm slightly offended. I thought my contributions were the epitemy of tolerance. I advocated a totally inclusive education.
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Originally Posted by TBM
We're currently learning about Walter Tull in Year 8 and Robert F Williams in Year 9. ...

Thanks for the references - interesting to read about.

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...Over 65% of my school are of Black African or Caribbean descent (although most are now third generation British) so it [BHM] is of more relavance to them than the Battle of Hastings or the English Civil War. ...

Hmmm... that is debatable! Hastings = introduction of an oppressive coloniser to the UK, leading eventually to the birth of democracy and the Magna Carta. English Civil War = fight between elected/democratic Parliament and the traditionalist Royalist powers, ending up in a victory for the former leading to a dictatorship. smile

PS: full respect to all teachers of course. Not a job I could do well!


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Originally Posted by PaulV
PS: full respect to all teachers of course. Not a job I could do well!

Not a job I could do at all!
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Originally Posted by nick w
Well I'm slightly offended. I thought my contributions were the epitemy of tolerance. I advocated a totally inclusive education.
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Don't be. I said there wasn't much evidence of tolerance, not that there was no evidence smile

(although at times I thought I'd logged into StormFront by mistake smile )


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Originally Posted by PaulV
Originally Posted by TBM
We're currently learning about Walter Tull in Year 8 and Robert F Williams in Year 9. ...

Thanks for the references - interesting to read about.

Originally Posted by TBM
...Over 65% of my school are of Black African or Caribbean descent (although most are now third generation British) so it [BHM] is of more relevance to them than the Battle of Hastings or the English Civil War. ...

Hmmm... that is debatable! Hastings = introduction of an oppressive coloniser to the UK, leading eventually to the birth of democracy and the Magna Carta. English Civil War = fight between elected/democratic Parliament and the traditionalist Royalist powers, ending up in a victory for the former leading to a dictatorship. smile

PS: full respect to all teachers of course. Not a job I could do well!


Well said Paul, your response highlights to me that when eg the oppressive colonising of the UK's is just between white participants the oppressor and repressed it is somehow 'different' and not the same as that when its between white and black peoples.

Maybe the version of 1066 that is taught should be revisited and not from the victors prospect (Normans) but from the vanquished, those subdued and the oppressed prospective. The fact that England and Ireland became part of the Norman Empire that stretched to the Holy Lands, That the Normans also denied us our culture, our language, our laws. That oppression when put into the context lead to the first form of civil rights and a constitution Magna Carta.

Almost reflecting what happened in much of the colonisation of Africa. What could be more poignant?


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Originally Posted by JohnHarris
Well said Paul, your response demonstrates to me that when eg the oppressive coloniser to the UK's impact is between white participants the oppressor and repressed it is somehow 'different' than that when its between white and black . Maybe the version of 1066 that is taught should be revisited and not from the victors prospect (Normans) but from the vanquished and the those subdued and oppressed prospective. The fact that England and Ireland became part of the Norman Empire that stretched to the Holy Lands, That the Normans also denied us our culture, our language, our laws. That oppression when put into the context lead to the first form of civil rights and a constitution Magna Carta.


It appears that your education was sadly lacking.

We do all of that. As a Archaeologist first, and Historian second, I'm also rather scathing about the Romans too. Obviously anything pre-Romano Britain is not covered in History as it's not History.


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I blame those bloody Beaker People. Coming over here with their handle-less cups and their innovative burial rites.


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