Talk Morgan Forums Community Vehicle Talk (non-Morgan) Jaguar Re Launch

Chaps, there is a really interesting u-tube video on Jaguars next re launch and their plans for the future post 2025. Could the old war horse finally re gain some of the prestige it used to have? Although I have always been a Jaguar fan, the last 15/20 years have left me cold and the move to all electric won't bother me as I will probably be too old to consider a new car but it will be an interesting period in their history.

Did you not like the F-Type? ..... only ever seen them driving by, but on looks alone I thought it was a spiffing motor in the Jag tradition?

K

I must admit the lustre did come off a bit with the X-Type debacle.

In the last ten years I have tried to include Jaguar each time I changed car and every time it has gone wrong for some reason. I love the XJ with either the 3.0D or 5.0V8 but this was the only model that got close. Then the pricing and finance made it fail totally. I think the decision to have a root to tip clean out will prove to be a good one. Especially given the cross over of J and LR with the F-Pace etc. I wish them well in this even if it should have happened long ago.

The current XE and XF models are great in theory but the details mean I no longer even read the road tests.

Until the very recent update of the entertainment systems (PiviPro) they were awful.
Unless you spent a lot on upgrades (10-20k) the specs were poor.
Their PCP programs for business users were way over the top. It made them uncompetitive. As did the issue with options being so heavily needed.
The reliability was poor in many cases, people don't have time for that when a Kia has a std 7 year warranty for example.
Some of the materials felt like ultra thin sticky back leather on card, interior door cards often got damaged as they were too thin.
I find it odd that they moved into SUV's even if they were meant to be more sporty and yet had LR alongside, messing with the brand position.

It was not a premium experience and it was a confused marketing statement.

Love the design
Love the Autobiography XJ's
Love the style of most of the LR's
Love the handing and driving experience
Love the cabin layout and style

They need to fix the problems before I would consider buying one again. Given the way Volvo and others are coming after their market as well as Kia and Hyundai are really improving they need to clean up the whole go to market. Pity it took and BEC forced change and new boss to make it happen.

At the start of the pandemic I was looking to get a new 5.0 litre F-Type on a PCP for my daily drive. My plan was that it would probably be my last IC engined daily drive, so I would go out with a bit of noise. I ended up getting a year old DB11 for 1/2 the price of the F-type PCP. Jaguar were so far off the mark and Aston Martin were very sharp to the point that I am paying less now than I had on my previous C63 Cabriolet.

Yes I do like the F Type but it is just too small for me. I can't get the seat back far enough and the rust problems would stop me ever parting with real money on one.

I Have an F-Type. Looks fantastic, drives well but build quality not what you would expect of a car that cost a lot of money. I have had issues with parts not staying in the place they should be. lastly one of the rear windows was coming away from the body. The "bonding was not clean" on the initial build. Its a real shame as JLR have some great cars but quality seems to be an issue throughout the range. The only modern cars I have had breakdown on me have been a Land Rover and the Jaguar. Both less than a year old both failed to get me to my destination.

I suspect that says as much about the Aston as anything else. Their reputation for reliability is even worse than Range Rover.

I had no reliability problems with my F type but I did only keep it for a year because I did have a problem with the seats. It was a nice drive but with a ridiculous boot.

In 2010 I bought a beautiful XJ V6 3.0D. Stunning, elegant, and faster than the competition (including the Panamera diesel). Probably because it weighted 400 kg or less than the S-Classs, Series 7, A8, etc. offered then. I loved that car and never had a single problem with it. Neither mechanic nor electronic. Zero problems. And it was the first car with a really operative touchscreen, way better that the hideous “joysticks” and round pads offered by the competition. And the main dashboard screen was TFT too, offering many different configurations and information. I hire tens of cars every year (I catch more than 65 flights per year, average, for professional reasons) and every time I went into a German sedan with this infotainment “joystick”, it made me sick. Of course, it’s a personal opinion, but I really hated those infotainment system, being used to my Jag’s touchscreen. It’s not surprising that now all these car makers offer touchscreens and main dashboard TFT screen too… Jaguar was a step beyond with that XJ…
I loved that car. But I realized it was not practical at all, if you like skiing, bicycling or need to tow a trailer. That XJ was unable to have a tow ball, no roof bars and not even foldable rear seats!

Five years after buying it I changed it for a F-Pace S, with the same evolved engine, the V6 3.0D biturbo, with astonishing 300 hp and 700 Nm torque. Again, an amazing car. Super-fast, agile, and this time really practical for our needs.
Again, five years with zero problems. But the last month of my renting contract, June last year, I was about to give the car back, and suddenly the engine fails. Catastrophic failure! The crankshaft broke. Unacceptable for such an expensive premium car, in my opinion. Thankfully it happened just twenty days before the end of the renting contract, so I gave the keys back to the dealer and forget about it.

But as I am a little bit of a masochist, and talking with the garage manager at JLR, I knew about the new Ingenium L6 engines. Apparently way more reliable. To be proved, I guess, but I wanted one again!
Then, one day, while picking up the old beauty from its last maintenance (our totally restored Range Rover Vogue SE, 3.5 automatic built in 1988) I saw a massive Defender 110 with the P400 petrol engine, staring at me at the shop. This was in February this year. Now this beast is resting in our garage. We’ve done already 5.000 km and it’s a fantastic, super-comfortable machine, and even faster than our previous F-Pace! In straight line, of course. Don’t tease that huge 2.5 tons monster in twisted mountain passes or it will scare you with its inertias!

So, as you can imagine, I'm a little bit of a fan of JLR... And I still believe that the engines and infotainment systems are a step beyond the main competition.

It's nice to hear good news about the experience.

I do want JLR to be successful and hope the new regime and last few years work address the challenges.

In my mind Jaguar have an “old man image”

I very time I’m stuck plopping along behind a jag there’s some old Gumby stuck behind it’s helm.

Last decent proper jag was the Series 2 XJ. Since then it lost its quality as well as its identity as a luxury and sporting brand that could compete with the big boys.